Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 264 by onewithhim]

Why would God not want you to be perfectly obedient to him? He demanded perfection from the Jews.

He does want us to be perfectly obedient to Him. "Perfection" is a relative perfection, and has the idea of "bringing to completeness or full measure; having attained the appropriate or appointed end, purpose or goal." Perfection of any person or thing, then, is relative, not absolute. (Psalm 119:96) A thing is "perfect" according to the purpose or end for which it is appointed by its designer. In this system of things, before Paradise, a person can be perfectly doing something according to God's will, but not as he might in the restored Paradise.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 271 by onewithhim] Since coming to Christ you have been completely sinless?

1 John 3:4-10New International Version (NIV)

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devils work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because Gods seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not Gods child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

[For_The_Kingdom]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

Even if we are going to live on paradise Earth..it wouldn't be the paradise Earth that is often depicted in Watch Tower literature. You know, this whole "fixer-upper" process that the Earth will undergo at the hands of believers?

Jesus said that he prepared a place for us, and the book of Revelation describes what it will look like..which is a far cry from what is depicted in Watch Tower Literature.

[William]

I was thinking about this subject. Some depict the outcome differently from others.

Why is this so?

It occurs to me that it is based upon personal preference.

Perhaps examining the similarities one might better get a handle on what is what.

Is the .New Earth in this physical universe or some alternate one?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 271 by onewithhim] Since coming to Christ you have been completely sinless?

1 John 3:4-10New International Version (NIV)

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devils work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because Gods seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not Gods child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

Of course not, and anyone who says they are sinless is a liar, according to the Scripture.

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." (I John 1:8, NASB)

You, on the other hand, are speaking about DELIBERATE sin. No one who is "born of God" continues to deliberately sin. We can't help sinning according to the sin we inherited from Adam, but we can refrain from wilfully sinning. John suggests a difference between the two types of sin at I John 5:16-18.

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[onewithhim]

I was thinking about this subject. Some depict the outcome differently from others.

Why is this so?

It occurs to me that it is based upon personal preference.

Perhaps examining the similarities one might better get a handle on what is what.

Is the .New Earth in this physical universe or some alternate one?

It is in this physical universe, just where God originally created it to be.

"This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the true God, the Former of the earth, the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited: 'I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.'" (Isaiah 45:18)

"A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing forever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4)



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[William]

I was thinking about this subject. Some depict the outcome differently from others.

Why is this so?

It occurs to me that it is based upon personal preference.

Perhaps examining the similarities one might better get a handle on what is what.

Is the .New Earth in this physical universe or some alternate one?

It is in this physical universe, just where God originally created it to be.

"This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the true God, the Former of the earth, the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited: 'I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.'" (Isaiah 45:18)

"A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing forever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4)

Well at least with that we can understand what would have to be involved in achieving such a thing within this physical universe.

Also, the physical universe must therefore have no end to it because how can one live forever in a place which is finite?
Add to that, what kind of bodies would be required in order for the individual consciousness to remain within the universe forever?

They wouldn't be biological, knowing what we do about how the universe affects biological life forms.

Indeed, even mechanical forms would eventually stop working, even that they would be far more hardy than flesh and blood.

And then of course, blood would be a thing of the past as well.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 275 by onewithhim]
For Christians all sin is deliberate sin. John was indicating that anyone who claimed to.be without sin before accepting Christ was lying. How else would they know who the children of the devil where if they to could live completely righteous lives? You seem to enjoy adding words to the texts. Who gave you this'll authority to add to God's word?

[onewithhim]

I was thinking about this subject. Some depict the outcome differently from others.

Why is this so?

It occurs to me that it is based upon personal preference.

Perhaps examining the similarities one might better get a handle on what is what.

Is the .New Earth in this physical universe or some alternate one?

It is in this physical universe, just where God originally created it to be.

"This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the true God, the Former of the earth, the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited: 'I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.'" (Isaiah 45:18)

"A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing forever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4)

Well at least with that we can understand what would have to be involved in achieving such a thing within this physical universe.

Also, the physical universe must therefore have no end to it because how can one live forever in a place which is finite?
Add to that, what kind of bodies would be required in order for the individual consciousness to remain within the universe forever?

They wouldn't be biological, knowing what we do about how the universe affects biological life forms.

Indeed, even mechanical forms would eventually stop working, even that they would be far more hardy than flesh and blood.

And then of course, blood would be a thing of the past as well.

Certainly bodies would be biological....physical. Wasn't Adam created with a body like ours (but perfect)? He was designed and intended by God to live forever. Can't God see to it that our bodies will never stop working?

[William]

I was thinking about this subject. Some depict the outcome differently from others.

Why is this so?

It occurs to me that it is based upon personal preference.

Perhaps examining the similarities one might better get a handle on what is what.

Is the .New Earth in this physical universe or some alternate one?

It is in this physical universe, just where God originally created it to be.

"This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the true God, the Former of the earth, the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited: 'I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.'" (Isaiah 45:18)

"A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing forever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4)

Well at least with that we can understand what would have to be involved in achieving such a thing within this physical universe.

Also, the physical universe must therefore have no end to it because how can one live forever in a place which is finite?
Add to that, what kind of bodies would be required in order for the individual consciousness to remain within the universe forever?

They wouldn't be biological, knowing what we do about how the universe affects biological life forms.

Indeed, even mechanical forms would eventually stop working, even that they would be far more hardy than flesh and blood.

And then of course, blood would be a thing of the past as well.

Certainly bodies would be biological....physical.

But we already are well aware of the properties of the universe in relation to biological forms. Biological forms do not survive forever.

Wasn't Adam created with a body like ours (but perfect)?

Adam died. Also - this tends to suggest that an imperfect consciousness had the use of a perfect form and that the word perfect is being used in this context to denote an incorruptible form.

He was designed and intended by God to live forever.

But he died. Also, why do you think it was Gods intention for Adam to live in his body in this universe forever?

Can't God see to it that our bodies will never stop working?

How?

Obviously biological bodies don't survive the experience. As I said, even sophisticated machined bodies cannot last forever. Even the universe itself cannot last forever.

So how will this God 'see to it' then? Any ideas?