Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[Benoni]

Religion has its place in this world just like any other systems of man some good and some bad but is this not how it all began in the garden of Eden? Did not God plant the tree of both knowledge of good and evil? Baby-lon (religion) is a golden cup in the hands of the Lord. The word religion comes from the Latin word religoo which means to restrict, control taboo and that is what religion does. Its called bias and be it religion, atheism or what ever the world is full of it. I am a Christian but at the same time very anti religious.

[Joe1950]

[Replying to post 347 by Joe1950]


War against evil extremists is not bad, opposing bad is a righteous justifiable act. Indeed when good men do nothing to stop evil they are to an extent responsible for it.

The condemned Cannanite nations were extremely repugnant and their existence as a people an affront to humanity. Individuals were given the opportunity to surrender and keep living, but once the nations made it clear they were not going to surrender, Joshua (The Israelite leading General) was justifiably instructed to wipe them out.


I did write a post on the above earlier, you may have missed it so here is the link
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 946#825946

• The nation could not be spared because of dependent children but being a Divine war their lives can eventually be restored if God in the future sees fit.

JW


Note: It should be noted that while the Isrelates under Joshua did represent pure worship that was not always the case.



Did the women and children of the Midianites deserve to be slaughtered?

Yes

On what basis?

On the basis that God judged them instrumental in the death of 24,000 men.

Yes. The god of the Old Testament did condemn women and children to death. He demanded genocide. He demanded genocide for people living in the land of milk and honey so he could replace them with "chosen people" . And he did this demanding the murder of civilians, men, women and children. People who were quite content to live their lives before the "chosen People" showed up.
Infants were judged by god to be "instrumental " in the deaths of others. So the infants must be killed by soldiers. How does that work exactly? How does a 6 month old baby become an "instrument " in the death of 24,000?

[Benoni]

[Replying to post 352 by Joe1950]

God does not see death as we humans do for he does not dwell in the realm of death as we do. Death is a curse in Genesis until it is killed by death in Revelation. This earth we live in is the realm of death and we all know we are going to die and there is not a thing one of us can do about it now in this limited time we have here.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 346 by JehovahsWitness]



[center]Some people's religion are perfect.[/center]

There is no denying that false religion has been a curse on humanity;

Because we know that NO TRUE religion would do anything like that.
No true Scot, either.


"The no true scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one's position. Proposed counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the theory is about."

www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

[Joe1950]

Back to the original post.

How long is a human life span? Our best estimate is probably around 120 years at the most. That is under optimal conditions. The human body slowly deteriorates over time. So, there is no possibility that any individuals will live on earth indefinitely. Not to mention how crowded it would be over time.

[Benoni]

[Replying to Joe1950]
This is true if you limit who and what we are to the physical but God is a spirit

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 356 by Benoni]



[center]What kind of spirit is in that glass of yours?[/center]

This is true if you limit who and what we are to the physical but God is a spirit

What's "spirit" supposed to mean?

A ghost?
An imaginary being?

A story book character that we just can't see but who does real cool magic tricks?

[Benoni]

[Replying to Blastcat]

Sorry it sounds like you will never understand. 1 Corinthians 2:
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 358 by Benoni]

Sorry it sounds like you will never understand. 1 Corinthians 2:

I can't be expected to EVER understand it if nobody can properly explain it to me... can I? I'm also RATHER skeptical that you understand it yourself.

If you can't explain it.. hmm not so great understanding in my book.
Sounds like bluster to me.

I left the church precisely because of that reason.
They had NO answers just a lot of bluster.

Cats are curious.
Curiosity killed this cat's religious aspirations.

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Question:

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  I think I was asking you what you meant by "spirit". What on EARTH do you mean by "spiritually discerned"? Do you imagine that explains it?
  
  

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 349 by Blastcat]

Thank you for your response to my question. There should be more people like you who are willing to discuss things to that extent (and then listen to the other person as well).