What kind of Father demands the blood of His Son?

[Elijah John]

Is the God of Jesus a merciful forgiving Father?

Or a bloodthirsty deity who must be appeased by the blood of animals, then later, by the blood of His favorite Son?

I realize these are loaded questions, and that my bias is apparent.

But which is it, merciful Father or Judge who demands blood?*

Which kind of God did Jesus himself teach? (not Paul, but Jesus)

What kind of Father demands the blood of his favorite Son in order to be able to forgive his other children?

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(note.. this thread is about forgiveness and atonement, not about the wars of YHVH's people etc.)

*if you answer "both" then please demonstrate how the two notions are compatible.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 97 by Claire Evans]

God cannot be near evil.

Claire, can you remind me again please? Do you think the Book of Job is a description of actual real events (i.e. not a metaphor?)

[Claire Evans]

Allah is a moon god.

What does that even mean?

He'a a pagan god completely separated from the Father and Yahweh.


http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-allah.htm

We can speculate and say maybe Satan created Islam to counter Christianity.

We can also speculate and say maybe Satan created Christianity to counter Judaism.

Satan, being the god of this world, would not inspire the elite of this world to now try and stamp it out. In Judaism and sometimes Christianity, Satan is depicted as just an agent of God to test people during time's of adversity. He is not deemed a powerful entity. Now if you were going to war, wouldn't you prefer to think that others believed you weren't powerful enough when you actually are. You can then ambush and take people by surprise. So exposing Satan's power is not fortuitous for him. Now Islam is a perfect way to counter Christianity. You don't get Christians beheading Muslims.

[Claire Evans]

[Replying to post 97 by Claire Evans]

God cannot be near evil.

Claire, can you remind me again please? Do you think the Book of Job is a description of actual real events (i.e. not a metaphor?)

It's either a metaphor or Yahweh did use an agent of his to torment Job. They could discuss it themselves in person because Yahweh was a physical being. Satan is not the same as the Satan depicted in the NT. That's pretty clear.

[Claire Evans]

[Replying to post 97 by Claire Evans]

God never promised that He would save us from suffering.

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Question:

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  What's all this talk about going to heaven, then?
  
  

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On earth, of course.

Romans 8:18

I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

[Justin108]

He'a a pagan god completely separated from the Father and Yahweh.

How do you know Yahweh isn't the pagan god and Allah the true god?

We can also speculate and say maybe Satan created Christianity to counter Judaism.

Satan, being the god of this world, would not inspire the elite of this world to now try and stamp it out. In Judaism and sometimes Christianity, Satan is depicted as just an agent of God to test people during time's of adversity. He is not deemed a powerful entity. Now if you were going to war, wouldn't you prefer to think that others believed you weren't powerful enough when you actually are. You can then ambush and take people by surprise. So exposing Satan's power is not fortuitous for him. Now Islam is a perfect way to counter Christianity. You don't get Christians beheading Muslims.

How is this a response to me stating that we can speculate that maybe Satan created Christianity to counter Judaism? Is it possible that Satan created Christianity to counter Judaism? Yes or no?

You don't get Christians beheading Muslims.

Ever heard of the Crusades?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 101 by Claire Evans]



[center]
In this corner, we have ALLAH.. and in the other corner, God[/center]

He'a a pagan god completely separated from the Father and Yahweh.

It's not a pagan god to them.
To them, yours is.

Thems are fightin' words, right?

Ding Ding.
Go fight.

[liamconnor]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

in addition to this question, if all he demanded was blood. Why raise his son? Why "exalt him on high"? Kill the dude and move on, right! Is God confused?

[Claire Evans]

[Replying to post 101 by Claire Evans]



[center]
In this corner, we have ALLAH.. and in the other corner, God[/center]

He'a a pagan god completely separated from the Father and Yahweh.

It's not a pagan god to them.
To them, yours is.

Thems are fightin' words, right?

Ding Ding.
Go fight.

I have facts to what I say.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 101 by Claire Evans]



[center]
In this corner, we have ALLAH.. and in the other corner, God[/center]

He'a a pagan god completely separated from the Father and Yahweh.

It's not a pagan god to them.
To them, yours is.

Thems are fightin' words, right?

Ding Ding.
Go fight.

No need to fight. From the Islamic perspective, it is the same God, the God of Abraham is not a "Pagan" God. Allah and YHVH are two designations for the same God of Abraham.

Jews, Christians and Muslims are all "People of the Book".

In Islam ,paganism is equated with polytheism. Fellow monotheists are not considered "pagan".

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

in addition to this question, if all he demanded was blood. Why raise his son? Why "exalt him on high"? Kill the dude and move on, right! Is God confused?

My point is that YHVH does not demand blood sacrifice, human or animal. Never did.

Scripture does have some verses which state that He did, but Scripture is contradictory on this, as it is on some other important matters.

I side with the Prophets, and not the Priests on this matter, and view Jesus and John the Baptist as both being very much in the Prophetic tradition, against blood-sacrifice. (I desire mercy, not sacrifice.)

The Prophets advocated simple repentance, not blood-appeasement.

I see Paul, by contrast, as favoring a one-time human sacrifice by virtue of his interpreting Jesus' martyrdom as a "payment" for the sins of humanity.