As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I do not have a hope of going to heaven (when I speak of "heaven" I mean the spiritual abode/realm where God lives).
- Do you personally entertain the hope of going to heaven to spend eternity with God when you die? (if this question is too personal I respect if you do not want to share this information)
- If so, do you believe such a literal spiritual realm exists?
- Do you believe that Jesus is presently in heaven where God exists?
* My question is for people that do believe that a God exists, since I presume that those that do not believe in God do believe he exists anywhere and therefore there is no "heaven" where God is.
Do you have the hope of going to heaven
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Post #251Did I say he wasn't?William wrote: What makes you think that when Jesus referred to GOD as his 'father' that he wasn't being metaphorical?.
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Post #252[Replying to post 251 by JehovahsWitness]
Sorry - I may have confused you with the other.
So then, do you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
Sorry - I may have confused you with the other.
So then, do you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
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Post #253William wrote: [Replying to post 251 by JehovahsWitness]
Sorry - I may have confused you with the other.
So then, do you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
That depends, what do you mean by "father"?
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Re: Do you have the hope of going to heaven
Post #254[Replying to post 250 by onewithhim]
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What a spirit body consists of[/center]
"It's nothing".
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What a spirit body consists of[/center]
I can.
"It's nothing".
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Post #255[Replying to post 253 by JehovahsWitness]
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Some people who believe in a father god don't know what the word father means[/center]
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Some people who believe in a father god don't know what the word father means[/center]
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/father
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Post #256[Replying to post 253 by JehovahsWitness]
Q: Why would what I mean be 'father' have anything to do with whether you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
Q: Why would what I mean be 'father' have anything to do with whether you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
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Post #257INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
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Post #258[Replying to post 257 by JehovahsWitness]
William: What makes you think that when Jesus referred to GOD as his 'father' that he wasn't being metaphorical?.
JW: Did I say he wasn't?
William: So then, do you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
JW: That depends, what do you mean by "father"?
William: Why would what I mean by 'father' have anything to do with whether you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
JW: Well God is literally Jesus' Father. In my opinion.
So Jehovah, whom - in your opinion - is GOD, is a spirit living within a spirit body and is a person, a singular individual.
Being that he is the literal dad of Jesus, he will have similar physical attributes, so will look like a human being and be approximately around the same height as the average human being, and most likely a Caucasian as the JW organisation oft portray Jesus.
In your opinion:
Q: How does anyone of such small stature create this universe?
Q: What do you think the attributes of a 'spirit body' might be?
(For example, do you think they can shape-shift and look like whatever the wearer wants to look like? A human shape when dealing with humans, and other shapes when dealing with other types of intelligence's.)
It was said in post # 250 "I do not view God or Jesus as a white male with flowing blond hair and blue eyes. That is a crock. You are right to suggest that God must be far above and beyond those anthropomorphisms that we bestow on him. "
Q: Do you agree with this statement?
Q: If so, how do you reconcile the crock imagery which is used by the organization you endorse as being true?
Q: Do you think that such false images such as these constitute a form of idolatry because they place in the mind of the viewer a particular thing which is false?
Q: If your answer is 'no' to the above question, please explain why so.
William: What makes you think that when Jesus referred to GOD as his 'father' that he wasn't being metaphorical?.
JW: Did I say he wasn't?
William: So then, do you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
JW: That depends, what do you mean by "father"?
William: Why would what I mean by 'father' have anything to do with whether you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
JW: Well God is literally Jesus' Father. In my opinion.
So Jehovah, whom - in your opinion - is GOD, is a spirit living within a spirit body and is a person, a singular individual.
Being that he is the literal dad of Jesus, he will have similar physical attributes, so will look like a human being and be approximately around the same height as the average human being, and most likely a Caucasian as the JW organisation oft portray Jesus.
In your opinion:
Q: How does anyone of such small stature create this universe?
Q: What do you think the attributes of a 'spirit body' might be?
(For example, do you think they can shape-shift and look like whatever the wearer wants to look like? A human shape when dealing with humans, and other shapes when dealing with other types of intelligence's.)
It was said in post # 250 "I do not view God or Jesus as a white male with flowing blond hair and blue eyes. That is a crock. You are right to suggest that God must be far above and beyond those anthropomorphisms that we bestow on him. "
Q: Do you agree with this statement?
Q: If so, how do you reconcile the crock imagery which is used by the organization you endorse as being true?
Q: Do you think that such false images such as these constitute a form of idolatry because they place in the mind of the viewer a particular thing which is false?
Q: If your answer is 'no' to the above question, please explain why so.
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Post #259Why do you say that?William wrote: Being that he is the literal dad of Jesus, he will have similar physical attributes
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Post #260[Replying to post 256 by William]
[Replying to post 256 by William]
[center]Metaphorical dad with a metaphorical penis[/center]
I THINK they mean "Father" metaphorically.
So, we are already in "have to interpret what that means" land.
Who KNOWS what this supposed "Jesus" guy supposedly thought?
All we have is SECOND hand smoke for this fire.
[Replying to post 256 by William]
[center]Metaphorical dad with a metaphorical penis[/center]
Does God have God sperm, and God male genitalia?William wrote:
Q: Why would what I mean be 'father' have anything to do with whether you think Jesus was being metaphorical about calling GOD his 'father'?
I THINK they mean "Father" metaphorically.
So, we are already in "have to interpret what that means" land.
Who KNOWS what this supposed "Jesus" guy supposedly thought?
All we have is SECOND hand smoke for this fire.
