Joshua 10:12-13 God made the sun and moon stand still

[Compassionist]

"On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day." - Joshua 10:12-13, The Bible (New International Version). If the Bible is true and this really happened, then why is there no records by any other civilizations of the extraordinary event of the sun and the moon standing still for a day? For this to occur, the Earth would need to suddenly stop rotating on its axis which would cause people and other animals, structures, bodies of water, etc. to be flung out into space due to inertia. Besides, how can a loving and just God command genocide?

[rikuoamero]

There are events known as "once in a millennium floods" in which the event is far out of proportion to any flooding that has ever occurred in anyone's memory.

That's a good description of the global flood. If bible chronology is to believe, the human race wasn't much more than a couple of thousands years old, if practically all cultures describe a great "once in a millenium" flood, then it is not beyond the realm of reason they are all describing the same catastrophic event.

Especially as their stories carry so many common features an issue which I cannot see you address in your answer.

JW

Again...why the Bible in particular? For all you and I know, your logic is valid, but all these flood stories, Bible included, are retellings of some other 'true' global flood that is about a set of characters who are NOT Noah and his family.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

That's a good description of the global flood. If bible chronology is to believe, the human race wasn't much more than a couple of thousands years old, if practically all cultures describe a great "once in a millenium" flood, then it is not beyond the realm of reason they are all describing the same catastrophic event.

JW

If Bible chronology is to be believed and the Earth is only a few thousand years old, then science is total bunk. And I suddenly discover that I must doubt that this conversation is even taking place.

[rikuoamero]

There are events known as "once in a millennium floods" in which the event is far out of proportion to any flooding that has ever occurred in anyone's memory.

That's a good description of the global flood. If bible chronology is to believe, the human race wasn't much more than a couple of thousands years old, if practically all cultures describe a great "once in a millenium" flood, then it is not beyond the realm of reason they are all describing the same catastrophic event.

Especially as their stories carry so many common features an issue which I cannot see you address in your answer.

JW

If the Bible is to be believed...then there shouldn't be any other global flood stories. Remember, the Bible says it was Noah and his sons and their wives who survived. No-one else. This gets told by their supposed Jewish descendants.
So...where did the Temuan people get their story from? Couldn't have been their own ancestors...they all died according to the Bible.

EDIT - Basically, if there was an actual global flood at all at some point way in the past, the only explanation then for why there are lots of different stories found in disparate, separated civilisations and tribes, is that some people survived in each tribe, which immediately disproves what the Bible story claims

[Willum]

Since the Flood has swelled -
and only a handful of people survived, where did the genetic diversity come from to prevent in-breeding, etc...

[rikuoamero]

Since the Flood has swelled -
and only a handful of people survived, where did the genetic diversity come from to prevent in-breeding, etc...

Exactly. If it's the Bible Noah story that is true, then everyone on Earth should be descendants of the Hebrews from about 4,000 years ago...and yet that is not what we know to be true, thanks to genetic research.
Did Noah's Hebrew descendants travel to the Americas just within the last 4,000 years and then rapidly evolve into Native Americans? Travel to Australia and become the Maui? If that's true, and they brought the Noah Flood story with them...why then the differences in different flood stories? Why wouldn't the Temuan talk about Noah?
Sure, the Chines whisper effect may have come into play...but that same problem applies to the Noah Flood story itself. How come THAT story is assumed to be the 'true' or 'original' story?

I challenge JW to this: investigate Native American culture from the past 4,000 years onward, and try to find similarities to Hebrew culture, prior to any contact from Europe. Or the Maui.
I mean...I find it hilarious the thought that Noah's Hebrew descendants would travel thousands of miles, taking with them the general theme of a global flood story and not recording the specifics and that over time, this story would change multiple times...and yet, we're supposed to trust that the specific Noah story is the original? That these very same Hebrews who changed the story recorded the Noah story accurately?

[Justin108]

Further, as I said the story is near on universal, for example the ancient aboriginals (there are not a whole lot of floods in the Austrailian outback) also have their flood legends, as do other desert people and mountainous tribes.

The fact that floods are rare in those areas just makes it more likely that they would make a big deal of it if it were to happen. If it never floods there then the first time it does flood, they would probably think it's the end of the world.

Further the commonality of these myths cannot be easily explained away.

And what about the differences? How do you explain those away? More importantly, if there are several flood myths, how can you be sure the Noah flood myth is the correct one?

[JehovahsWitness]

And what about the differences?

The differences would be a natural evolution as the story was distorted overtime. As the original facts were re-related through the generations, perhaps orally, they would over thousands of years become mixed with fiction or inaccuracies but retain the essential details, which can be identified by finding the common features in the majority if not all of them.


Common sense,

JW

[rikuoamero]

And what about the differences?

The differences would be a natural evolution as the story was distorted overtime. As the original facts were re-related through the generations, perhaps orally, they would over thousands of years become mixed with fiction or inaccuracies but retain the essential details, which can be identified by finding the common features in the majority if not all of them.


Common sense,

JW

1) How then does the Bible Noah story escape this effect?
2) Assuming the Bible story to be true, who would have been alive to start telling different versions of a global flood event? Remember, the only survivors of Noah's flood are Noah and his immediate family. No-one else. Who would have been alive to start telling the Temuan flood story?

[Justin108]

And what about the differences?

The differences would be a natural evolution as the story was distorted overtime. As the original facts were re-related through the generations, perhaps orally, they would over thousands of years become mixed with fiction or inaccuracies but retain the essential details, which can be identified by finding the common features in the majority if not all of them.


Common sense,

JW

I see you skimmed over my most important question. I'll ask again: if there are several flood myths, how can you be sure the Noah flood myth is the correct one?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 46 by Justin108]

No, no, JW is right, the commonality makes it true...
For example, 99% of religions have 12 gods + 1 father God. Even Christianity has 12 disciples + 1 Jesus.

Since the OT took other people's gods and made them into people, Set (god) --> Cain (man), Able, etc, it is obvious that the proto-Jewish took the 12 gods + 1 Father and translated them into 12 disciples with their spheres, and one chief, Jesus.

Right?