2 Samuel 24. How can you possibly justify this?

[Justin108]

2 Samuel 24:15

"So the Lord sent a plague through Israel from the morning until the completion of the appointed time. Seventy thousand men died from Dan to Beer Sheba."



So God killed 70 000 men. Why? Because David decided to take a census! Why would God kill 70 000 because David took a census? A census! He counted people!
What could possibly justify this senseless slaughter?

Even if David was in the wrong for taking a census, why punish his people? David is the one that messed up, so in response God kills 70 000 other men? What possible justification is there for this? How was David's actions evil and why were 70 000 other people punished for David's actions?

[KenRU]

Since you will not, I see no reason to keep reading your post.

Please show me where the rules state I must accept the bible as authoritative?

You must accept that I can use it as a primary reference.

I did and still do. You still haven't shown why this is even relevant to my questions.

If you do not then head back to the CA forum.

I shall give your opinion all the due consideration you have shown me this far - zero.

pri·ma·ry
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adjective
adjective: primary; adjective: Primary

1.
of chief importance; principal.

You don't have to personally accept it as authoritative but in debate here, the assumption is that it is and it doesn't have to be proven as such but your questions keep going as it is not and I do not have to address your dismissal of the Bible.

Once again, you state things that are simply not true. Show me one post I made in this thread that shows me being dismissal of the bible?

If not, please recant.

This is not about what you and I feel.

And yet you are doing your best to make it very much about how you feel.

You have said so over and over. Making false accusations, claiming I say things that I clearly never have. And you appear woefully unconcerned by this once it is pointed out to you.

You have made it very much about your feelings, my friend.

This forum is about Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma in Christianity and the debate is using the Bible 'as the primary reference' to defend or debunk these TDDs. This forum is for those that already accept there is a God.

If true, then why are you on this thread? It was clearly started by someone who is CLEARLY listed as an atheist?

Your excuses continue to be more and more transparent.

The big pool where people have moved past the question 'is there truth in God's Word'. You are not using or recognizing the Bible as the primary reference.

And here it is, a modicum of honesty. You are judging me by my belief system, and really do not have any issues with the questions I posed to you. Which, I submit is quite obvious at this point, as you have not been able to show where I violated any forum rule.

You only recognize yourself and what you feel is right.

In case you are missing the irony, I will point it out to you: what does this have to do with my questions? Nothing. If anything, this post may violate forum rules.

But keep digging your hole, my friend.

You are making your own philosophy as your primary reference. Here, you are not the primary reference. Do you understand?

If you are trying to (in essence) say that atheists can’t post here, I’m not buying it. Why then, did you respond to the OP which was posted by an atheist?

My questions to you (that ttruscott was kind enough to answer) had nothing to do with atheism, and simply asked what your interpretation was.

You then degenerated into falsely saying I violated forum rules when I didn’t and then accused me of saying things I didn’t.

You have been shown to be wrong on multiple occasions, and not once took responsibility for your mistakes.

But by all means, keep digging your hole.

-all the best

[OnceConvinced]

The CA board is chaos and this board is getting there. They should just name it CA #2. The fact that you chase people onto boards that having nothing to do with your type of argument makes you a stalker. If I wanted to engage in unending atheist jibbish I would.

Moderator Comment

It is uncivil and against forum rules to accuse people of stalking and referring to their posts as gibberish. Please cease with this.

Please review the Rules.


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[Elijah John]

It says I don't have to defend it's authority. That means here, it has authority. Period. If you don't accept verses like Deut 32:4, yes that is fine, but is it as authoritative here your discussions are moot and they don't have to be addressed because you are in the wrong forum. I don't have to prove Deut 32:4 as true. Don't you get it? You must use the Bible to say the opposite. Not your own words but God's Word. I'm not here to debate what you think is good or bad. I'm here to debate what the Bible says is good and bad. You keep going like I have to prove it is true to you but I don't have to. But for me to stay in this discussion I am in my rights to require that you accept the scripture as authoritative. Since you will not, I see no reason to keep reading your post.

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Yes, the Bible IS authoritative here on the TD&D forum. However "authoritative" does not preclude non-literal intepretation, nor does it suggest infallible perfection and consistency of Scripture.

It is fair game for people to use Scripture to refute, contradict or interpret other passages of Scripture.

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