Jehovah's Witnesses vs. other Christians

[Justin108]

To non-Jehovah's Witnesses - what do Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Christianity that is simply not true according to your own denomination?

To Jehovah's Witnesses - what beliefs do other denominations hold that is simply not true according to your own denomination?

[marco]

We have admitted that Bro. Russell was wrong about the chosen ones going to heaven in 1914. )

..... something monumental happened in 1914, in line with the nations "having their day," as indicated at Luke 21:24. Russell was right about that.

It's sad that some folks think we are absurd.

A bad egg isn't all bad but we don't eat it. Russell was wrong, so we take what he says on predictions with a pinch of salt. Something big happened around 1914 - yes, we all know that. It was WW1. It was hardly a startling observation for Russell to make.

If you believe in absurdities you must (and obviously do) have the courage to defend them. Ultimately if God is on your side, the walls will fall down by the trumpet power of your arguments. At the moment Jehovah is being rather unkind to you in what he's supplying. The Romans would say: Dum spiro, spero - while I breathe, I hope.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 28 by onewithhim]

with the start of an unprecedented world war (Revelation 12:9,12).

That quote from Rev only says that the whole world will be deceived. It doesn't say anything about a world war.
Even if it did, did what happened in Europe 1914-1918 count as a world war? Not in my opinion. Yes, it involved the greatest powers of the day, but the ENTIRE WORLD was not at war. South America didn't fight. Neither did Australia.

That was in line with Jesus' teaching concerning the last days that there would be "nation rising against nation." (Matt.24:7)

Does this not strike you as being incredibly vague? Surely literally ANY date in history would count here, as nations are always almost rising against each other!

in line with the nations "having their day,"

What does that mean? It's been literally over a century and we still have nations.

It's sad that some folks think we are absurd.

Shrugs. So?

Why do you say that what happened in 1914 was NOT a world war? It is called WORLD WAR I. The world itself, outside of religious thought, considered the Great War to be WORLD WAR I. It involved or AFFECTED every continent.

We still have nations, but they have had their allotted time to prove that they are capable of ruling themselves. Their time is up, and they have certainly proved that they are incapable. The time from 1914 up to now has been spent, by Jesus and his followers, intently warning the world about the coming Great Tribulation that will get rid of the nations for good.

[onewithhim]

We have admitted that Bro. Russell was wrong about the chosen ones going to heaven in 1914. )

..... something monumental happened in 1914, in line with the nations "having their day," as indicated at Luke 21:24. Russell was right about that.

It's sad that some folks think we are absurd.

A bad egg isn't all bad but we don't eat it. Russell was wrong, so we take what he says on predictions with a pinch of salt. Something big happened around 1914 - yes, we all know that. It was WW1. It was hardly a startling observation for Russell to make.

If you believe in absurdities you must (and obviously do) have the courage to defend them. Ultimately if God is on your side, the walls will fall down by the trumpet power of your arguments. At the moment Jehovah is being rather unkind to you in what he's supplying. The Romans would say: Dum spiro, spero - while I breathe, I hope.

Russell made the announcement about the nations having their day BEFORE WWI started.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 32 by onewithhim]

It is called WORLD WAR I. The world itself, outside of religious thought, considered the Great War to be WORLD WAR I. It involved or AFFECTED every continent.

Yes, I know of names, and yes I know of the effects of the war. So tell me...what was the deception? Revelations says EVERYONE was deceived. Deceived into believing what?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 32 by onewithhim]

It is called WORLD WAR I. The world itself, outside of religious thought, considered the Great War to be WORLD WAR I. It involved or AFFECTED every continent.

Yes, I know of names, and yes I know of the effects of the war. So tell me...what was the deception? Revelations says EVERYONE was deceived. Deceived into believing what?

Revelation 12:9 says: "Down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth." Satan was then and is now misleading everyone on Earth about EVERYTHING. He rules the world (I John 5:19; Luke 4:6), and it has become evident that what has always been deemed as bad is now "good" or acceptable, or at least tolerated by mankind. The main things with which he deceives the world are Religion, Politics, Immorality and Materialism. He's got those elements of life sewed up. Most people are influenced by him in those areas.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 35 by onewithhim]

Satan was then and is now misleading everyone on Earth about EVERYTHING.

You fell right into my trap.
Satan is misleading everyone about everything.

Guess that includes you, right? Your beliefs are now untrustworthy, right?
Think of that logically. How can you say that everyone is deceived about everything, and yet somehow that excludes you?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 35 by onewithhim]

Satan was then and is now misleading everyone on Earth about EVERYTHING.

You fell right into my trap.
Satan is misleading everyone about everything.

Guess that includes you, right? Your beliefs are now untrustworthy, right?
Think of that logically. How can you say that everyone is deceived about everything, and yet somehow that excludes you?

Your trap is vicious and malevolent. Why would any loving Christian try to "trap" somebody? The jist of the matter is: Satan is dead-set on misleading everyone about everything. There are some people who resist him and suit themselves up with "armor" from God (Ephesians 6:11-18). We try to follow His counsel and stave off Satan's "fiery darts of the wicked." Jehovah helps us to do this.


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[onewithhim]

Tried to delete a duplicate post.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 37 by onewithhim]

Your trap is vicious and malevolent.

Whether I am or am not, you still fell into it.

Why would any loving Christian try to "trap" somebody?

Why are you assuming the person to be a loving Christian?

The jist of the matter is: Satan is dead-set on misleading everyone about everything.

Now you're trying to re-write what you said before. This new line can be interpreted as Satan is trying to mislead everyone about everything, but hasn't quite managed it yet.
Your previous line said that Satan is currently doing that activity, he is succeeding at it.

There are some people who resist him and suit themselves up with "armor" from God (Ephesians 6:11-18). We try to follow His counsel and stave off Satan's "fiery darts of the wicked." Jehovah helps us to do this.

This doesn't help me trust what you say. You as a person can't say to a third party "Everyone is being deceived" then also say (almost in the same breath) "There are some people, like myself, who are not being deceived".

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 39 by rikuoamero]

Whatever, rikuoamero.....I would venture to say that anyone else on this thread who has read my posts would get the idea of what I was trying to say, and that even though Satan is out to deceive the entire earth he is not succeeding 100%.

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