JESUS IS NOT YHWH

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Sat May 06, 2017 3:07 pm

Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?

He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?

He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?

Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?

I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:40 pm

The only true Christian region is JW!!! Got it...

The JWs don't believe in the virgin birth or that Jesus father is God.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:06 pm

Donray wrote: The JWs don't believe in the virgin birth or that Jesus father is God.

I have to correct you on that.

We do indeed believe Jesus was born of a virgin.

We also believe that Jesus' Father is Almighty God Jehovah (YHWH).

I cannot imagine where you got the idea that we do not.

JW

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:31 pm

[Replying to post 52 by JehovahsWitness]

So you believe in two deities. God and Jesus.

The result of a human and God having a baby results in a demigod.

"The term demigod or demi-god can refer to a minor deity, a mortal or immortal who is the offspring of a god and a human being, or a figure who has attained divine status after death."

So you worship both a god and demigod.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:28 am

Donray wrote: So you believe in two deities. God and Jesus.

Yes, if you mean do we accept that there is more than one god. If you mean do we believe there is more than one Almighty God, and Supreme Creator that we worship, no, we only worship JEHOVAH.

More on this see my earlier post
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 664#867664

Donray wrote:The result of a human and God having a baby results in a demigod.

Not in our (JWs) opinion. When Jesus was on earlth Jehovah's Witnesses believe he was 100% human.

Donray wrote:So you worship both a god and demigod.

In any case we don't worship Jesus, so however you choose to describe him (Jesus) the point is moot.

JW

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:29 pm

Donray wrote: [Replying to post 47 by tigger2]

Why can't you answer a question using your own words?

Do you believe that Jesus's father is god? That Mary was a virgin?

All you state is a bunch of junk for religious people. So what, I asked what you believe and you don't seem to know or cannot state what you think.

I don't have any trouble discerning what tigger thinks and believes. He's been quite forthright about that.

I have clearly understood his position that Jesus' Father IS "the only true God," and that Mary was a virgin.

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:24 pm

[Replying to post 55 by onewithhim]

I am just pointing out that a baby born to a human and created by a god is a god.

This is why the original Christian church came up with the trinity to overcome two gods.

Again, JWs have two gods since Jesus would be considered demigod by standard definitions. Of course like a lot of religious people the JWs choose to makeup their own definitions to match their religion.

Do the JWs ever pray to Jesus.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:15 am

[Replying to post 56 by Donray]

Donray wrote:I am just pointing out that a baby born to a human and created by a god is a god.

Jesus said even a human (a baby born from a natural union between a man and a woman) can be legitimately called a god. In the bible "god" simply means "powerful one" and can be applied to humans or anyone with a measure of power. If Jesus is called a "a god" it would only be in recognition of his extraordinary powers and would in no way negate his being 100% human while on earth. Jehovah's Witnesses would never describe Jesus as "demi" (half) anything, much less half god or half human.

Donray wrote:... Jesus would be considered demigod by standard definitions.

We cannot control what other people consider Jesus; we can only control how we consider him (see above)

Donray wrote:Do the JWs ever pray to Jesus.

No we do not.

JW

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:28 pm

Donray wrote: [Replying to post 55 by onewithhim]

I am just pointing out that a baby born to a human and created by a god is a god.

This is why the original Christian church came up with the trinity to overcome two gods.

Again, JWs have two gods since Jesus would be considered demigod by standard definitions. Of course like a lot of religious people the JWs choose to makeup their own definitions to match their religion.

Do the JWs ever pray to Jesus.

Jesus would NOT be considered a "demi-god" by truthful definitions. The world run by the Devil has come up with quite a few definitions that are not scripturally sound. As JW above stated, Jesus could be considered "a god" because he was an influential, powerful individual. Human judges were called "gods" in the scriptures, and angels also were referred to as "gods." The apostle Paul said that some people's gods were their 'bellies,' meaning that consuming food was the most important thing for them.

We have explained innumerable times that the ONLY God we worship is the Father, Jehovah, whom Jesus said he also worshiped (John 20:17; Revelation 3:12).

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:35 pm

onewithhim wrote:
Donray wrote: [Replying to post 55 by onewithhim]

I am just pointing out that a baby born to a human and created by a god is a god.

This is why the original Christian church came up with the trinity to overcome two gods.

Again, JWs have two gods since Jesus would be considered demigod by standard definitions. Of course like a lot of religious people the JWs choose to makeup their own definitions to match their religion.

Do the JWs ever pray to Jesus.
Jesus would NOT be considered a "demi-god" by truthful definitions. The world run by the Devil has come up with quite a few definitions that are not scripturally sound. As JW above stated, Jesus could be considered "a god" because he was an influential, powerful individual. Human judges were called "gods" in the scriptures, and angels also were referred to as "gods." The apostle Paul said that some people's gods were their 'bellies,' meaning that consuming food was the most important thing for them.

We have explained innumerable times that the ONLY God we worship is the Father, Jehovah, whom Jesus said he also worshiped (John 20:17; Revelation 3:12).

50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God
Jesus is God the Son. He is the eternal, all-powerful, all-loving, self-existent Creator God.

see http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstro ... sus-is-god

Tell me what the definition of demigod was before the devil changed it?

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:03 am

[Replying to post 47 by tigger2]

When you plagiarize why not give credit to where you are plagiarizing from? Do you try to mislead people into thing these are your own thoughts?

Is plagiarizing OK on this site?