Revelation 3:12
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (NASB)
Why is Revelation 3:12 sometimes cited as proof that the Lord Jesus is not God simply because He refers to the Father as "My God" when the very same verse speaks of Him (Jesus) writing His new name on the believer which indicates His Supreme Deity?
Revelation 3:12 "My God"...."My new name"
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Re: Revelation 3:12 "My God"...."My new name&
Post #2Because it is the strongest of evidence.that he is not himself God, not the "Supreme Deity" who is YHVH, the Father.Faber wrote: Revelation 3:12
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (NASB)
Why is Revelation 3:12 sometimes cited as proof that the Lord Jesus is not God simply because He refers to the Father as "My God" when the very same verse speaks of Him (Jesus) writing His new name on the believer which indicates His Supreme Deity?
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Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
1. Murray Harris: The very existence of the phrase 'slave of Christ' alongside 'slave of God' in New Testament usage testifies to the early Christian belief in Christ's deity. Knowing the expression 'slave of the Lord' from the Septuagint, several New Testament writers - John, Peter, Paul, James and Jude - quietly substitute 'Christ' for 'the Lord', a substitution that would have been unthinkable for a Jew unless Christ was seen as having parity of status with Yahweh (Slave of Christ: A New Testament Metaphor for Total Devotion to Christ, page 134).
As His 'slaves' they would render unto Him the worship due unto God alone.
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1. Murray Harris: The very existence of the phrase 'slave of Christ' alongside 'slave of God' in New Testament usage testifies to the early Christian belief in Christ's deity. Knowing the expression 'slave of the Lord' from the Septuagint, several New Testament writers - John, Peter, Paul, James and Jude - quietly substitute 'Christ' for 'the Lord', a substitution that would have been unthinkable for a Jew unless Christ was seen as having parity of status with Yahweh (Slave of Christ: A New Testament Metaphor for Total Devotion to Christ, page 134).
As His 'slaves' they would render unto Him the worship due unto God alone.
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Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".
No, it demonstrates his supreme delegated authority as the one invited to sit at God's right hand.Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".
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Re: Revelation 3:12 "My God"...."My new name&
Post #5Also, if that's Jesus speaking in that passage, is it possible that by "new name" his new name is "Christ"? That certainly was not his name when he walked the earth.Faber wrote: Revelation 3:12
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (NASB)
Why is Revelation 3:12 sometimes cited as proof that the Lord Jesus is not God simply because He refers to the Father as "My God" when the very same verse speaks of Him (Jesus) writing His new name on the believer which indicates His Supreme Deity?
And believers do bear that "new name" as in Christian.
As for the name of His God (Jesus' God), clearly it is YHVH.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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It could say it 400 times. It doesn't negate the fact that having Christ' name on them demonstrates their supreme allegiance is to Him as their God.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 3 by Faber]
Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
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Their supreme allegiance to him? Yes. To him as their God? No. I can be supremely allied to someone without having them be my God. All this proves is that they were Jesus' slaves. Not that Jesus was God.Faber wrote:It could say it 400 times. It doesn't negate the fact that having Christ' name on them demonstrates their supreme allegiance is to Him as their God.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 3 by Faber]
Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
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Not at all.Faber wrote:It could say it 400 times. It doesn't negate the fact that having Christ' name on them demonstrates their supreme allegiance is to Him as their God.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 3 by Faber]
Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
His supremacy [and the consequent allegiance] is derived, given by God the Father after his resurrection.
God alone is supreme, and will always be so.
God the Father, YHVH, calls no one "My God".
Jesus does, and he does so in the highest position under God, seated at His right hand.
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Thus proving your allegiance to the Lord Jesus isn't supreme.Checkpoint wrote:Not at all.Faber wrote:It could say it 400 times. It doesn't negate the fact that having Christ' name on them demonstrates their supreme allegiance is to Him as their God.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 3 by Faber]
Four times in that one verse he spells it out. The God who gave him that position is "my God".Having His name on them signified they were His 'slaves' (Revelation 2:20) which demonstrates the Supreme Deity of the Lord Jesus.
His supremacy [and the consequent allegiance] is derived, given by God the Father after his resurrection.
God alone is supreme, and will always be so.
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