"When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean" (Humpty Dumpty in 'Through the Looking Glass' by Lewis Carroll).
Those who deny the Trinity often employ the same rational as Humpty Dumpty in their approach to defining the words of the Bible. Since the proper definitions refute their doctrine they resort to attacking the meanings of the biblical words as found in the lexicons.
What they offer is simply their opinion of what they think the words ought to mean in accordance with their beliefs.
"The Bible is inspired not the lexicons" is a claim so often made. What is ignored is that the words of the Bible are to be properly defined otherwise like Humpty Dumpty words can simply mean anything we want them to. Communication will inevitably break down.
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Post #32
Let us deal with one thing at a time. You said triune isn't in the Bible. Correct. This would seem to suggest that, on the other hand, Trinity is there. It isn't.
The concept of three persons in one God, each person being separate, none of them a part of God, yet all three being a single God is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It would not have been understood or accepted. It comes about so that we can reconcile monotheism with three claimants for deity status. It is a mystery and an absurdity, designed by decree.
Post #33
The concept of the Triune God is taught throughout the Bible.marco wrote:
Let us deal with one thing at a time. You said triune isn't in the Bible. Correct. This would seem to suggest that, on the other hand, Trinity is there. It isn't.
The concept of three persons in one God, each person being separate, none of them a part of God, yet all three being a single God is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It would not have been understood or accepted. It comes about so that we can reconcile monotheism with three claimants for deity status. It is a mystery and an absurdity, designed by decree.
Post #34
Can you quote a few verses?Faber wrote:The concept of the Triune God is taught throughout the Bible.marco wrote:
Let us deal with one thing at a time. You said triune isn't in the Bible. Correct. This would seem to suggest that, on the other hand, Trinity is there. It isn't.
The concept of three persons in one God, each person being separate, none of them a part of God, yet all three being a single God is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It would not have been understood or accepted. It comes about so that we can reconcile monotheism with three claimants for deity status. It is a mystery and an absurdity, designed by decree.
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Post #35
Justin asked you where, and that is an excellent question. I'm asking you where in the "Old" Testament.Faber wrote:
The concept of the Triune God is taught throughout the Bible.
If my hunch is right, apologist OT support for a "triune God" will be even more flimsy, more of a stretch, and even more the product of linguistic and theological gymnastics than is any NT support.
Where, for instance, is there any indication in the OT that the Holy Spirit is a distinct 3rd Person of a Trinity?
Or that the Messiah was supposed to be the incarnation of YHVH, and the 2nd Person of this Trinity?
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Post #36
Matthew 28:19Justin108 wrote:Can you quote a few verses?Faber wrote:The concept of the Triune God is taught throughout the Bible.marco wrote:
Let us deal with one thing at a time. You said triune isn't in the Bible. Correct. This would seem to suggest that, on the other hand, Trinity is there. It isn't.
The concept of three persons in one God, each person being separate, none of them a part of God, yet all three being a single God is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It would not have been understood or accepted. It comes about so that we can reconcile monotheism with three claimants for deity status. It is a mystery and an absurdity, designed by decree.
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2 Corinthians 13:14
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Post #37
Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 mention the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but at no point does it suggest that these three entities are one.Faber wrote:Matthew 28:19Justin108 wrote:Can you quote a few verses?Faber wrote:The concept of the Triune God is taught throughout the Bible.marco wrote:
Let us deal with one thing at a time. You said triune isn't in the Bible. Correct. This would seem to suggest that, on the other hand, Trinity is there. It isn't.
The concept of three persons in one God, each person being separate, none of them a part of God, yet all three being a single God is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It would not have been understood or accepted. It comes about so that we can reconcile monotheism with three claimants for deity status. It is a mystery and an absurdity, designed by decree.
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2 Corinthians 13:14
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Post #38
In Matthew 28:19 the singular "name" encompasses all of them. In fact, this name is to be called upon when one is water baptized which demonstrates the Triune God is worshiped during this time.
Those who deny the Trinity would have Matthew 28:19 mean that water baptism is done in the name of God, a created being and then an impersonal energy/power/source which is absurd.
Those who deny the Trinity would have Matthew 28:19 mean that water baptism is done in the name of God, a created being and then an impersonal energy/power/source which is absurd.
Post #39
Can you support this claim?Faber wrote: In Matthew 28:19 the singular "name" encompasses all of them.
In your opinion.Faber wrote: In fact, this name is to be called upon when one is water baptized which demonstrates the Triune God is worshiped during this time.
Claiming it is absurd does not make it absurd. You'll need to come up with a better argument that "that is absurd".Faber wrote: Those who deny the Trinity would have Matthew 28:19 mean that water baptism is done in the name of God, a created being and then an impersonal energy/power/source which is absurd.
