Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:12 am

John 8:14
Jesus answered and said to them, Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going (NASB).

Why do some deny the Lord Jesus is God even though the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony alone was to be believed (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6)?

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:45 am

Faber wrote: I wasn't lying because it is implied.

Saying "Jesus claimed to be God" and "Jesus said something that implies he might be God" are two very different claims. The first is an outright lie.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:47 am

Your opinion is noted even though it doesn't correspond to reality.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:57 am

Faber wrote: Your opinion is noted even though it doesn't correspond to reality.

Making a claim that is blatantly false is a lie. You did exactly that. Ergo, my "opinion" corresponds perfectly with reality.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:08 am

If a person (for example "Jason") said that they know every single thought of God then they are making a claim to be God.
It would not be a lie for me to assert that "Jason claimed to be God" if he indeed stated that he knew every single thought of God.

Thus it is not a lie for me to assert that the Lord Jesus claimed to be God when we are to believe His testimony alone concerning the things of God.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:14 am

Faber wrote: If a person (for example "Jason") said that they know every single thought of God then they are making a claim to be God.

No... they are making the claim that they know every single though of God...

Faber wrote: It would not be a lie for me to assert that "Jason claimed to be God" if he indeed stated that he knew every single thought of God.

Yes it would. It is entirely possible that God chose to share every thought he had with Jason. That way, Jason would know every single though of God without necessarily being God himself.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:16 am

They are making a claim to be God since they say they know all His thoughts.
To have this ability would mean that one is omniscient.

And that is what God alone is.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:17 am

Faber wrote: They are making a claim to be God since they say they know all His thoughts.

Did you not read a damn thing I just said?

Faber wrote: And that is what God alone is.

How do you know God alone is omniscient?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:19 am

I read it. It just didn't make any sense so it wasn't worth responding to.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:19 am

Faber wrote: I read it. It just didn't make any sense so it wasn't worth responding to.

What part of what I said makes no sense?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:21 am

This:

"It is entirely possible that God chose to share every thought he had with Jason."

I am not going to scrape the bottom the barrel to reply to such utter nonsense.