Revelation 3:12 "My God"...."My new name"

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:56 pm

Revelation 3:12
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (NASB)

Why is Revelation 3:12 sometimes cited as proof that the Lord Jesus is not God simply because He refers to the Father as "My God" when the very same verse speaks of Him (Jesus) writing His new name on the believer which indicates His Supreme Deity?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:40 am

Monta wrote:That which is divine and 'proceeds directly from God is God' - infinite and eternal and certainly not human.

I do not see "certainly not human" in the definition. Indeed the definition points out that that which is divine can be "a god" and Jesus himself said humans are described as "gods" in scripture and implied that was rightly done.

Further the definition of "divine" makes no mention of infinitity or eternity. If being divine means coming from God He can make that which comes from him anything and anyway he wants. Of course he can bestow immortality on that which comes from him but then he can choose not to. I think we can all agree that the Almighty can issue forth anything he so wishes in any form he so wishes; he is not to be limited in any way.

In any case your adding your own theology to a word does not change its definition which is relating to God, from God or "god like" (resembling God) without restriction to what form that might take.

JW

Monta · Post by **Monta** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:27 am

[Replying to post 31 by JehovahsWitness]

"I do not see "certainly not human" in the definition. Indeed the definition points out that that which is divine can be "a god" and Jesus himself said humans are described as "gods" in scripture and implied that was rightly done. "

We shall agree to disagree but for the record, the scripture says - 'they were called gods to whom the Word was preached'. In my book it says how noble God's creaton of man is in that he can perceive divine things, not that they are Gods.

God does not multiply Himself.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:39 pm

Monta wrote: 'they were called gods to whom the Word was preached'. In my book it says how noble God's creaton of man is in that he can perceive divine things, not that they are Gods.

Excactly, that is exactly the point. The "divine things" ("god like") things that God perceived were human. If God perceives or thinks of someone or something as divine who are we (general "we" as in human beings) to contradict him?

JW

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:09 pm

Monta wrote: [Replying to post 29 by onewithhim]

"No, that is not true. There are many lies going around about JWs. Jesus is definitely divine ("of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God"...Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary) though not God Almighty. "

It's innappropriate to call other people liers because they may disagree with your doctrine. You say Jesus came directly from God and call him divine yet deny that he is still like any other man.

That which is divine and 'proceeds directly from God is God' - infinite and eternal and certainly not human.

Your post doesn't make any sense. Could you be a bit more specific about what you disagree with me about? I haven't denied that Jesus was a man. What are you talking about?