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Is evolution a controversial science?

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Elsewhere JP Cusick wrote:Both religion and controversial science could be taught in elective College courses where they belong.
He was referring to evolution as controversial science. While there may be quite a number of legitimate controversies within the science of biology regarding evolution, evolution itself is not a controversy at all among biologists.

Question for debate: Is evolution as taught at the high school level, a controversial science? Is there any controversy among currently practicing biologists regarding the basic science behind evolution?
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JP Cusick wrote: They appear to be the exact same people to me.

They were already racist who then found new power for their racism in Darwinism.

If you are trying to say that some part of that group were not racist then they simply got pushed under as the racist took over.
I am saying the evolution is not racist, there used to be racist people back in the 19th century, who appeal to evolution as justification.
Christianity was dominated by racist, as it was a big factor in the US Civil War, and again in the Jim Crow laws, and now the racist moved over to Darwinism.

Both Darwin and the Bible have been misused.
If you acknowledge that Darwin has been misused, then why would you say evolution teaches racism?
Yes, and the Christian racism lost that fight.

Then they turned in mass over to Darwinism as their new white-power basis.
And then they lost that fight too and now returned to Christianity (or more accurately, anti-Islam) as their newest white-power basis.
There is always the infamous org called "Planned Parenthood" which was built on the foundation of the blacks being inferior evolved human race and the more black babies they can murder (abortion) then the better to help evolve the entire human race (the whites).

The entire abortion industry is not based on Christianity - it is based entirely on Darwinism.
That had never been the case. I can grant you that it is not based on Christianity, but it is not based on Darwinism either, where are you getting that from?

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The trans-Atlantic slave trade and the genocide of Native Americans occurred well before Darwinism. Looks like racism already existed.

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catguy00 wrote: The trans-Atlantic slave trade and the genocide of Native Americans occurred well before Darwinism. Looks like racism already existed.
Darwin published the "Origin of Species" in 1859 which was at the very height of the African slavery in the USA, and it was in the midst of the same era of the mass murder of Native American Indians, so Darwinism was a product of his times and certainly fit into that mentality.

Later the same racist mentality became known as "Social Darwinism" which was a polite way of saying racist.

The same old racism still exist today but it takes a new modernized form, as in the scientific version of evolution along with the immoral stance of Atheists.

That does not mean that all Atheist are immoral or are racist, but the claim of being an Atheist does strongly imply that they reject the moral doctrines of religion, and so an Atheist really needs to put a qualifier to that title, as like saying = they are Atheist but they still uphold high standards of decency.

An Atheist who pushes evolution would thereby reject any notion of sin, and so to them it is not a sin to lie or cheat, to adultery or steal, to murder or rape, as they do not accept sinning as a reality so how can such a person be trusted?

As such any person claiming to be an Atheist needs to also declare that they will comply to the high moral standards - because otherwise we can expect that they will not.

Evolution is a controversial science because it tells people that there are no sins and no moral standard and the highest survival is for the bullies.
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JP Cusick wrote:
The same old racism still exist today but it takes a new modernized form, as in the scientific version of evolution along with the immoral stance of Atheists.

That does not mean that all Atheist are immoral or are racist, but the claim of being an Atheist does strongly imply that they reject the moral doctrines of religion, and so an Atheist really needs to put a qualifier to that title, as like saying = they are Atheist but they still uphold high standards of decency.

An Atheist who pushes evolution would thereby reject any notion of sin, and so to them it is not a sin to lie or cheat, to adultery or steal, to murder or rape, as they do not accept sinning as a reality so how can such a person be trusted?

As such any person claiming to be an Atheist needs to also declare that they will comply to the high moral standards - because otherwise we can expect that they will not.

Evolution is a controversial science because it tells people that there are no sins and no moral standard and the highest survival is for the bullies.
JP, allow me to correct some things for you.

Being an atheist has nothing to do with evolution or racism. Atheism is a lack of belief in supernatural things, including god creatures. Evolution is the change in inheritable characteristics for populations of living things over time. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

How you managed to conflate all three of those things together is utterly beyond me.

Evolution does not make any comment on sins, or morals, or standards. That's not the intent of the scientific theory of evolution. Evolution describes the factual evidence that shows that living things change over time. Those changes are based on random mutations that provide increased change for survival. There are no "bullies" in this scenario. You have completely mistaken "survival of the fittest" to a hilarious degree. Survival of the fittest describes how useful a new mutation is and therefore how likely it is to spread into the gene pool of the entire population of animals.

Your demand that an "evolutionist" must "comply to the high moral standards" is arrogant and useless. As has been pointed out to you in various conversations at this website, you do not get to determine what is the standard that everyone should follow. What you think is moral only matters to you. Your standard does not and will not apply to any other human being on Earth.

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JP Cusick wrote: An Atheist who pushes evolution would thereby reject any notion of sin, and so to them it is not a sin to lie or cheat, to adultery or steal, to murder or rape, as they do not accept sinning as a reality so how can such a person be trusted?
Simple, one should trust such a person because he doesn't need a watchman watching over him to be good. Is that not a great reason to trust this atheist over someone who can only be trusted because he is being watched by God?

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Kenisaw wrote: As has been pointed out to you in various conversations at this website, you do not get to determine what is the standard that everyone should follow. What you think is moral only matters to you. Your standard does not and will not apply to any other human being on Earth.
This is why if a person says that they are Atheist then we can thereby expect them to be immoral and untrustworthy.

To lie is a sin - oh no an Atheist does not need to follow that as they do not believe in sinning.

To commit adultery is a sin - oh no an Atheist does not need to follow that as they do not believe in sinning.

To cheat is a sin - oh no an Atheist does not need to follow that as they do not believe in sinning.

To steal is a sin - oh no an Atheist does not need to follow that as they do not believe in sinning.

So thereby an Atheist can not be trusted to behave in a civilized manner.

The Atheists believe in an evolution where if they can defeat or trick or manipulate any other person then they are just surviving as the fittest.

But it would make a difference in trust if one gives a qualifier as in = they are an Atheist but say that they will still follow the higher moral standards.
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Bust Nak wrote: Simple, one should trust such a person because he doesn't need a watchman watching over him to be good. Is that not a great reason to trust this atheist over someone who can only be trusted because he is being watched by God?
Like trusting a snake.

When people claim to be an animal, and they see their actions to be animalistic, and they justify life based on animal instincts and animal standards, then I see that as dangerous and as untrustable.

When a person shows and tells us who they are - then it is wise of us to believe them.
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JP Cusick wrote: Like trusting a snake.

When people claim to be an animal, and they see their actions to be animalistic, and they justify life based on animal instincts and animal standards, then I see that as dangerous and as untrustable.
What is so dangerous and untrustworthy with animalistic standards such as "be reasonable, be empathic, be compassionate and show concern for other sentient animals."
When a person shows and tells us who they are - then it is wise of us to believe them.
So believe me when I tell you we are kind, generous and trustworthy animals.
To lie is a sin - oh no an Atheist does not need to follow that as they do not believe in sinning...
You need to explain why you think "do not believe in sinning" implies "do not believe in telling the truth." Be thorough.

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Bust Nak wrote: What is so dangerous and untrustworthy with animalistic standards such as "be reasonable, be empathic, be compassionate and show concern for other sentient animals."

So believe me when I tell you we are kind, generous and trustworthy animals.

You need to explain why you think "do not believe in sinning" implies "do not believe in telling the truth." Be thorough.
Animals do not have any such morals or standards.

An animals is not reasonable nor empathic nor compassionate and animals do not show concern for other animals.

The true point and purpose of civilization is to get people to stop living as animals.
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JP Cusick wrote: Animals do not have any such morals or standards.
Of course we do.
An animals is not reasonable nor empathic nor compassionate and animals do not show concern for other animals.
False by counter example: I am an animal who is reasonable, empathic, compassionate and I do show concern for other animals.
The true point and purpose of civilization is to get people to stop living as animals.
Or you can see for yourself that living as animals can mean have a very high moral standard, often higher than the typical Christian standard, which don't tend to be all that compassionate. How does that sound?

I would still like you to justify why you think "not believing in sins" implies "not believing in telling the truth." Be thorough.

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