Can God logically create something he cannot annihilate? How is this different from God creating a rock too heavy for him to lift? Can God do the logically impossible?ttruscott wrote:
IF the GOD who is love created us to be eternal and unable to be annihilated
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THEN, the eternal banishment from HIS created reality of those who are eternally evil is an absolute necessity to protect those who did not choose to be eternally sinful but wanted to live with HIM in the heavenly state without any further corruption.
Can God logically create something he cannot destroy?
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Post #2Why would he want to? Discussion on the capabilities of a being capable of anything are just party games. We can similarly play with infinity - the hotel with infinite rooms that is full can still accommodate another guest. So what - the flaw is in our attempt to parallel infinite space with the logic of finite space.Justin108 wrote:
Can God logically create something he cannot annihilate? How is this different from God creating a rock too heavy for him to lift? Can God do the logically impossible?
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Re: Can God logically create something he cannot destroy?
Post #3I believe He can. I have no Biblical reason to think otherwise, does anyone else?Justin108 wrote: Can God logically create something he cannot destroy?
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Post #4Separating any idea of GOD from us inevitably leads to this contradiction; In quoting someone who believes in the idea of a GOD which is separate from any other consciousness and revealing the contradiction through that reveals the weakness in the Abrahamic idea of 'who/what' GOD is.Justin108 wrote:Can God logically create something he cannot annihilate? How is this different from God creating a rock too heavy for him to lift? Can God do the logically impossible?ttruscott wrote:
IF the GOD who is love created us to be eternal and unable to be annihilated
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THEN, the eternal banishment from HIS created reality of those who are eternally evil is an absolute necessity to protect those who did not choose to be eternally sinful but wanted to live with HIM in the heavenly state without any further corruption.
The idea can be seen to be a politically based philosophy held in stature by narcissistic tendencies and has left its mark on the collective psyche of humanity like a putrid wake of shame broadcasting out from and into the fearfully ignorant and therein transformed into a twisted mockery of LOVE.
Such is the way of life on this prison planet.
GOD cannot destroy its own dark parts of consciousness, so places them somewhere where they are relatively harmless (a small speck of dust suspended in a beam of light) while they sort their crap out and learn what LOVE/GOD is through learning what LOVE?GOD isn't. One by one as they each choose to.
I find it is ultimately easier to work with this idea than the abrahamic one.
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Post #5[Replying to post 1 by Justin108]
The bible is quite catagoric on this, with God nothing is impossible. There is nothing he cannot do, there is only what he WILL not do. That said there are things that cannot by definition exist, something more than the absolute is one of them.
There is nothing more than infinity.
The question can God create something more powerful / more powerfully resisilient to his own infinite power is for all intents and purpose a nonesense question: There CAN be nothing more than infinity, in the same as there can be nothing less than nothing. Such things do not exist they are merely concepts to explain the opposite of the absolute that does exist. To say God is unable to do something can only apply to if that thing is a "something" in the first place. Can God create "ù$*xpà "? No because ""ù$*xpà " is not a thing. Does that mean there is something he cannot do? No becaue ""ù$*xpà " is not a thing.
In short the answer to the question is not "Yes", "No" or "Maybe" the answer to the question is "This question has no meaning".
The bible is quite catagoric on this, with God nothing is impossible. There is nothing he cannot do, there is only what he WILL not do. That said there are things that cannot by definition exist, something more than the absolute is one of them.
There is nothing more than infinity.
The question can God create something more powerful / more powerfully resisilient to his own infinite power is for all intents and purpose a nonesense question: There CAN be nothing more than infinity, in the same as there can be nothing less than nothing. Such things do not exist they are merely concepts to explain the opposite of the absolute that does exist. To say God is unable to do something can only apply to if that thing is a "something" in the first place. Can God create "ù$*xpà "? No because ""ù$*xpà " is not a thing. Does that mean there is something he cannot do? No becaue ""ù$*xpà " is not a thing.
In short the answer to the question is not "Yes", "No" or "Maybe" the answer to the question is "This question has no meaning".
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For one, IF GOD promised to never annihilate anyone, HE cannot break that promise...
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Re: Can God logically create something he cannot destroy?
Post #9If "God" means "the being that can do anything" then the very notion of "something that 'the being that can do anything' can't do something to" is itself nonsense.Justin108 wrote:Can God logically create something he cannot annihilate?ttruscott wrote:
IF the GOD who is love created us to be eternal and unable to be annihilated
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THEN, the eternal banishment from HIS created reality of those who are eternally evil is an absolute necessity to protect those who did not choose to be eternally sinful but wanted to live with HIM in the heavenly state without any further corruption.
May as well say "Can God create asflkgjmaksjng?"
Logical impossibilities are not a "thing to do" in the first place. They are simply a set of words with no meaning.Justin108 wrote:Can God do the logically impossible?
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The illusion is destruction. The reality is that consciousness cannot be destroyed for it is GOD - even that it is dispersed into myriad objects of experience. Those objects are the only things which can be destroyed.
The Abrahamic idea of GOD separates GOD from all other consciousnesses due to the individuate nature of those consciousnesses. Those within these religions cannot see the wood for the trees and thus the mess they continue to help create on this prison planet.
Its not all bad though. There are pockets of those whom follow the idea of the Abrahamic religions who do contribute relief to the prisoners but in doing so , this does not prove that their belief about their religions dogma is correct/true.
If you are going to do a good deed, it is better to understand that you are GOD (an aspect of the whole consciousness) performing the deed rather than someone who is motivated by some fear of an outside entity prompting you to act out goodness as a way of avoiding some eventual worse place one is threatened with after finishing the life and death sentence of this one.
Being motivated by fear (and pretending that it is love) has its unavoidable traps/pitfalls.
The illusion is destruction. The reality is that consciousness cannot be destroyed for it is GOD - even that it is dispersed into myriad objects of experience. Those objects are the only things which can be destroyed.
The Abrahamic idea of GOD separates GOD from all other consciousnesses due to the individuate nature of those consciousnesses. Those within these religions cannot see the wood for the trees and thus the mess they continue to help create on this prison planet.
Its not all bad though. There are pockets of those whom follow the idea of the Abrahamic religions who do contribute relief to the prisoners but in doing so , this does not prove that their belief about their religions dogma is correct/true.
If you are going to do a good deed, it is better to understand that you are GOD (an aspect of the whole consciousness) performing the deed rather than someone who is motivated by some fear of an outside entity prompting you to act out goodness as a way of avoiding some eventual worse place one is threatened with after finishing the life and death sentence of this one.
Being motivated by fear (and pretending that it is love) has its unavoidable traps/pitfalls.
