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What is spirit.

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God formed Man out of the earth. and breathed into him the breath of life. and Man became a living being. Genesis 2:7
The dust returns to the earth as it was. and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7
You do not die when the body dies the spirit is everlasting infinite standing on the ground of eternity. Bhagavad-Gita

All things are made of spirit and body. Spirit is the infinite and eternal part ( as per Genesis) Yang to the bodies Yin. Spirit is contagious it passes from one to another. it is greater than and not completely contained by the body. It resonates out from a person to his environment like neighboring tuning forks resonate at the same frequency. That's why Jesus said love your neighbor , because it will do you good. Spirit is recognized by all faiths a common thread running through them . Spirit is in you and affecting you everywhere you go. We already live in the spiritual world.

Question for discussion :
First of all , do you believe or feel you have a spirit? (if not please don't answer 3 and 4)

Are you a body with a spirit or a spirit with a body?
Do we generate our spirit or is spirit something eternal given to us?

feel free to comment on anything posted above.

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dio9 wrote:All things are made of spirit and body.

I have found no reason to believe this.
dio9 wrote:Spirit is the infinite and eternal part (as per Genesis)

Energy is eternal; nothing is infinite, as per science.
dio9 wrote:[Spirit] is greater than and not completely contained by the body.

Again, there is no evidence that spirit or any other part of what we may think of as self survives death of body. In fact, it seems that things that happen to the body affect the spirit: stroke, dementia, drugs ….
dio9 wrote:Spirit is in you and affecting you everywhere you go. We already live in the spiritual world.

This statement presumes that the first question has already been answered.
dio9 wrote:First of all, do you believe or feel you have a spirit?

No.
dio9 wrote: (if not please don't answer 3 and 4)

Is question #2 missing?
dio9 wrote:Are you a body with a spirit or a spirit with a body?
Do we generate our spirit or is spirit something eternal given to us?
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dio9 wrote:
First of all , do you believe or feel you have a spirit?
It is hard to believe that the accumulation of information, happiness and pain has no purpose. We learn everything to lose everything, though some lucky Shakespeares have their words eternalised.

Hope and optimism suggest there is something more than dying flesh. I'd like to think there is, without a mad god waiting to flog us for indiscretions. Perhaps we simply move eternally into new dimensions.

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[Replying to post 1 by dio9]

QUESTION: What is spirit in the bible?

The word "spirit" is used in various ways in the bible; the examples given in the OP reference God's (holy) spirit.
God's spirit (also described as "the breath of life" when connected to living beings) is his active force, his power. Its the same force that essentially keeps all living things alive. It is the same force/power that God used to create the universe. It isn't an invisible "part" of a human and doesnt contain the personality, it is simply the force or power that animates all living things.
When that same force is connected with the furtherence of His (God's) will and purpose, it is often called "holy spirit" this is simply God's force being used in a different (special/dedicated) way.






NOTE: The word "spirit" is not to be confused with an "immortal soul" which is an expression that never appears anywhere in the bible and biblically is a fictional concept that stems from ancient pagans. The word "soul" referes to a flesh and blood, physical breathing living person or animal or the life they enjoy as such. FURTER READING https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bib ... t-meaning/



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marco wrote: It is hard to believe that the accumulation of information, happiness and pain has no purpose. We learn everything to lose everything, though some lucky Shakespeares have their words eternalised.
Our words need not be eternalized to have purpose. Our lives are short and often our legacy follows just as fast, but a valuable purpose can be left in our wake. A short-lived purpose can have great effects in the long run.

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Do you believe or feel you have a spirit?

Yes we all do. God's spirit is the force that animates all living things, from an ant to a human.

Are you a body with a spirit or a spirit with a body? Neither, it takes both combined to make a "me" (a living "soul" which is another way of saying a person (or animal))

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Do we generate our spirit or is spirit something eternal given to us?

Not something, someONE: Jehovah gives us spirit (force/power) to keep alive.
PSALMS 104:29
You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their spirit, they expire And return to their dust.
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[Replying to post 2 by McCulloch]

Science deals with material forces. (Yin) Spirit is something else. (Yang)

Thanks for your contribution but if you don't believe or feel you have a spirit why bother.

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marco wrote:
dio9 wrote:
First of all , do you believe or feel you have a spirit?
It is hard to believe that the accumulation of information, happiness and pain has no purpose. We learn everything to lose everything, though some lucky Shakespeares have their words eternalised.

Hope and optimism suggest there is something more than dying flesh. I'd like to think there is, without a mad god waiting to flog us for indiscretions. Perhaps we simply move eternally into new dimensions.
perhaps we even transmigrate into totally new bodies. Who knows. (I kind of like that idea)
Some faiths believe the spirit ascends to heaven , some the spirit descends to hell , some that it merges with God, some that it sleeps until the resurrection, that it transmigrates to another body and some that it goes to sleep and never wakes up. whatever but I do firmly believe spirit what makes us living beings, not dust.

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[Replying to post 4 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes I think I agree with you if you are saying God's spirit is a thread woven throughout humanity all creatures and all things.

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[Replying to post 9 by dio9]

Maybe I was too vague. Just like electricity is the power that makes a computer or a light or an electric fan work, God's spirit makes humans or animals work*.

Hope that helps,

JW

* This is an illustration, I am not saying God's spirit is electricty its just a word picture to try and make a point.

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