What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
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What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
Post #1I've read in the bible that many will not enter the gates of Heaven. I was wondering what others think about this statistically speaking. So that's what this poll is for. If you have some verses or ideas backing up your opinion, feel free to give them.
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Re: What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
Post #151Benoni wrote:No, I showed you in the Scriptures where God has given man a choice. You asked for me to show you where mankind is given a choice. When I do, you say I have taken it out of context. That doesn't even make sense. Anybody can see that God gave people a choice when He said those words.onewithhim wrote:Benoni wrote:That is how most religious people see it but this is not the case. The world is dead in trust-passes and sins and could careless about the Bible or God until God quicken their spirits to hear.onewithhim wrote:The broad way IS for the world. The world is who Jesus sent us believers out to witness to....with the Bible. The Bible couldn't be just for believers, because it gives people a choice as to what they will do, not directed to people who have ALREADY made up their minds and are thus believers.Benoni wrote: [Replying to onewithhim]
Its very simple. The narrow way is Christ which means anointing. God gave us a Spirit of Truth to lead and guides us into all truth. So it is the anointing within us. The broad way is not the world for the Bible is only for believers. The broad way are those who blindly follow religion, creeds, dogmas. idealism and reject the Spirit of truth with in to lead and guide us into all truth.
It is a warning for people, to consider whether or not they are going the easy route and walking on the broad way, or whether they realize that walking on the narrow road is more difficult but the only way to life.
No where does a carnal man have a choice? chapter and verse please?
1 Corinthians 2:
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
How can a dead man walk or choose? That goes even more for a spiritually dead man. Try reading the Bible to a truly dead spiritual man and see what happens.
You see the broad way is to follow some dead religion and there are thousands of religions out there to choose from The narrow way is Christ; When God spirit speaks a truth a spiritual person understands that he cannot fit into that narrow way with all this preconceived religious baggage. its just to narrow.Most are not seek Christ they are seek a religion and defending their bias.It's never "too narrow" for someone searching for Christ's teachings.
Never said that. We have many ages we can seek this life. I am speak of the narrow way is allowing God's Spirit to lead and guide us into truth. Most reject God's Spirit and follow their religion.He indicated that the narrow road leads to life. Why would he say that the way to eternal life is not achievable?
carnal man cannot choose. No where does it say carnal man can choose salvation. We are saved by grace not freewill or choice.We are all to make a choice. Are we willing to be God's friend and choose His sovereignty over any rulership by men, or do we want to stay on the broad road and not give heed to God's instructions?
What does this verse have to do with choosing salvation. It is from the OT and you are totally taking out of context. Its like you are seeking any thing you can find that carnal man can choose. Salvation is a spiritual experience not a carnal choosing."This commandment that I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you....See, I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad....I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must CHOOSE life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him; for he is your life and the length of your days." (Deuteronomy 30:11,15,19,20)
You say that Jesus "never said that," that the narrow road leads to life. Really?
"The gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." (NASB)
It looks to me like that's what he said.
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Re: What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
Post #152onewithhim wrote:Where and how does this verse address salvation? Jesus had not even died for our sins yet it would take a few more thousand years before Calvary happened. You are totally ignoring the fact of salvation is the thing we are speaking of when choosing. He gave these people a choice to enter the promise-land. This verse has nothing to do with the narrow way of ChristBenoni wrote:No, I showed you in the Scriptures where God has given man a choice. You asked for me to show you where mankind is given a choice. When I do, you say I have taken it out of context. That doesn't even make sense. Anybody can see that God gave people a choice when He said those words.onewithhim wrote:Benoni wrote:That is how most religious people see it but this is not the case. The world is dead in trust-passes and sins and could careless about the Bible or God until God quicken their spirits to hear.onewithhim wrote:The broad way IS for the world. The world is who Jesus sent us believers out to witness to....with the Bible. The Bible couldn't be just for believers, because it gives people a choice as to what they will do, not directed to people who have ALREADY made up their minds and are thus believers.Benoni wrote: [Replying to onewithhim]
Its very simple. The narrow way is Christ which means anointing. God gave us a Spirit of Truth to lead and guides us into all truth. So it is the anointing within us. The broad way is not the world for the Bible is only for believers. The broad way are those who blindly follow religion, creeds, dogmas. idealism and reject the Spirit of truth with in to lead and guide us into all truth.
It is a warning for people, to consider whether or not they are going the easy route and walking on the broad way, or whether they realize that walking on the narrow road is more difficult but the only way to life.
No where does a carnal man have a choice? chapter and verse please?
1 Corinthians 2:
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
How can a dead man walk or choose? That goes even more for a spiritually dead man. Try reading the Bible to a truly dead spiritual man and see what happens.
You see the broad way is to follow some dead religion and there are thousands of religions out there to choose from The narrow way is Christ; When God spirit speaks a truth a spiritual person understands that he cannot fit into that narrow way with all this preconceived religious baggage. its just to narrow.Most are not seek Christ they are seek a religion and defending their bias.It's never "too narrow" for someone searching for Christ's teachings.
Never said that. We have many ages we can seek this life. I am speak of the narrow way is allowing God's Spirit to lead and guide us into truth. Most reject God's Spirit and follow their religion.He indicated that the narrow road leads to life. Why would he say that the way to eternal life is not achievable?
carnal man cannot choose. No where does it say carnal man can choose salvation. We are saved by grace not freewill or choice.We are all to make a choice. Are we willing to be God's friend and choose His sovereignty over any rulership by men, or do we want to stay on the broad road and not give heed to God's instructions?
What does this verse have to do with choosing salvation. It is from the OT and you are totally taking out of context. Its like you are seeking any thing you can find that carnal man can choose. Salvation is a spiritual experience not a carnal choosing."This commandment that I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you....See, I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad....I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must CHOOSE life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him; for he is your life and the length of your days." (Deuteronomy 30:11,15,19,20)
You say that Jesus "never said that," that the narrow road leads to life. Really?
"The gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." (NASB)
It looks to me like that's what he said.
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Re: What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
Post #154He didn't . The narrow way verse is in the New testment not old. We were speaking of salvation and that you posted a verse that has nothing to do with choosing salvation.
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Post #155I am somewhat amazed that you don't see the connection.Benoni wrote:He didn't . The narrow way verse is in the New testment not old. We were speaking of salvation and that you posted a verse that has nothing to do with choosing salvation.
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Post #156There's too much evil coming from Christian world as too many support wars and enslaving other people.jgh7 wrote: I've read in the bible that many will not enter the gates of Heaven. I was wondering what others think about this statistically speaking. So that's what this poll is for. If you have some verses or ideas backing up your opinion, feel free to give them.
Muslims seem to suffer the most.
I would not guess as to numbers from either religions but currently there would be more Muslims than Chrisans entering heaven.
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Re: What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
Post #157They're not going anywhere but right here on the earth. Didn't you read any of the thread "Paradise on Earth"? It's absurd to think that untold billions of humans will end up in heaven in the spirit realm, when God's original purpose was to give humans this planet and assign him to take care of it---forever. Heaven is not the hope of most of mankind! There are only relatively FEW who will go to heaven to serve mankind and guide them in renovating the earth.Monta wrote:There's too much evil coming from Christian world as too many support wars and enslaving other people.jgh7 wrote: I've read in the bible that many will not enter the gates of Heaven. I was wondering what others think about this statistically speaking. So that's what this poll is for. If you have some verses or ideas backing up your opinion, feel free to give them.
Muslims seem to suffer the most.
I would not guess as to numbers from either religions but currently there would be more Muslims than Chrisans entering heaven.
Muslims in heaven? Each with their 70 virgins? Come on. Anyway, only Christians are acceptable to God and Christ, according to the Bible. And most of those who claim to be Christian on this earth are sorry examples of anyone following Christ.
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Post #158[Replying to post 157 by onewithhim]
"Muslims in heaven? Each with their 70 virgins? Come on. Anyway, only Christians are acceptable to God and Christ, according to the Bible. And most of those who claim to be Christian on this earth are sorry examples of anyone following Christ."
Totally disagre with you.
I thought yu are JW?
Jesus Christ, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
"Muslims in heaven? Each with their 70 virgins? Come on. Anyway, only Christians are acceptable to God and Christ, according to the Bible. And most of those who claim to be Christian on this earth are sorry examples of anyone following Christ."
Totally disagre with you.
I thought yu are JW?
Jesus Christ, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Re: What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?
Post #159onewithhim wrote:
QUESTION: Where in the Bible does it say that only Christians "are acceptable to God and Christ"?Muslims in heaven? Each with their 70 virgins? Come on. Anyway, only Christians are acceptable to God and Christ, according to the Bible. And most of those who claim to be Christian on this earth are sorry examples of anyone following Christ.
No Jews in heaven??? Did Abraham and Moses get kicked out?
Haven't you heard? Heaven's now full. No more room!
Post #160The evolution of the JW teaching on the 144,000 in heaven. And what happened to fill it up in 1881?
http://www.letusreason.org/JW52.htm
The teaching on the 144,000 the way they (Jehovah Witnesses) believe today did not come from their founder C.T. Russell."
Russell taught all the members of the Watchtower were anointed,' and the 144,000 who were Spiritual Israel having the heavenly hope. The early Watchtower teaching was that all Jehovahs Witnesses go to heaven. There was no paradise earth teaching, no two destinations for their members. Russell actually taught that the calling of the 144,000 was completed in 1881
Everyone who became a Jehovahs Witnesses before 1934 would go to Heaven (until Rutherford changed it). God stopped calling people to only a heavenly calling from that year. So he invented two classes, a heavenly class and earthly class. The great crowd class introduced by Judge Rutherford out of necessity."
"An earthly Great Crowd was created, a second- class of people that were subject to and dependent upon the heavenly class who alone would be part of the new covenant."
"So list 144,000 as the numerator, and X as the denominator until we know exactly how many people will exist. When we can, we can enter the total number of people created and we'll have what fraction of people will make it to heaven."
Amen!!!
http://www.letusreason.org/JW52.htm
The teaching on the 144,000 the way they (Jehovah Witnesses) believe today did not come from their founder C.T. Russell."
Russell taught all the members of the Watchtower were anointed,' and the 144,000 who were Spiritual Israel having the heavenly hope. The early Watchtower teaching was that all Jehovahs Witnesses go to heaven. There was no paradise earth teaching, no two destinations for their members. Russell actually taught that the calling of the 144,000 was completed in 1881
Everyone who became a Jehovahs Witnesses before 1934 would go to Heaven (until Rutherford changed it). God stopped calling people to only a heavenly calling from that year. So he invented two classes, a heavenly class and earthly class. The great crowd class introduced by Judge Rutherford out of necessity."
"An earthly Great Crowd was created, a second- class of people that were subject to and dependent upon the heavenly class who alone would be part of the new covenant."
"So list 144,000 as the numerator, and X as the denominator until we know exactly how many people will exist. When we can, we can enter the total number of people created and we'll have what fraction of people will make it to heaven."
Amen!!!
