Is this a blatant example of circular logic?

[Justin108]

[Replying to post 17 by Justin108]

Truth doesn't contradict truth; scientific truth is simply the correct understanding of the physical world. The bible is a book of truth and so by definition it won't contradict what is true. If therefore the bible touches on science (which it does rarely, but it does on occassion) but one interpretation contradicts what we know to be true about the physical world and the other doesn't, its not rocket science to know which interpretation is correct.

Logic,

JW

- Everything in the Bible is true
- If you find something in the Bible that is not true, it must mean that you interpreted it wrong
- How do we know you interpreted it wrong and that the Bible is not simply mistaken? Because everything in the Bible is true

[rikuoamero]

My single approach is simple, the BIble is an historical novel and nothing in it should be given credence without clear external confirmation.

My single approach is the bible is a book of religious instruction and nothing in it should be dismissed without clear divine confirmation.

JW

Circular logic. This is treating the contents of the bible as being divine not because you (general you) have somehow proven it to be but because you say the God character depicted within has not told you otherwise.

The character the Crimson King has not told me, confirmed to me, that I should dismiss what is said in Stephen King's Dark Tower series.
Going by your logic above, since I have not been told by the Crimson King, then I should not dismiss the dark tower books.

[JehovahsWitness]

My single approach is simple, the BIble is an historical novel and nothing in it should be given credence without clear external confirmation.

My single approach is the bible is a book of religious instruction and nothing in it should be dismissed without clear divine confirmation.

JW

Define "divine confirmation". Should God himself tell you when something is to be dismissed?

Was there a part of "divine" you were having a problem understanding?

[Justin108]

My single approach is simple, the BIble is an historical novel and nothing in it should be given credence without clear external confirmation.

My single approach is the bible is a book of religious instruction and nothing in it should be dismissed without clear divine confirmation.

JW

Define "divine confirmation". Should God himself tell you when something is to be dismissed?

Was there a part of "divine" you were having a problem understanding?

Possible interpretation of "divine confirmation":

1. God came down from heaven and personally told me that nothing in the Bible is to be dismissed
2. Upon reading the Bible, I experienced a sensation I personally interpreted as divine in origin and interpreted this experience as divine confirmation
3. This book which I personally consider to be divine claims that everything in it is true. As such, I consider this divine confirmation

I can probably think of a few more. So again I ask, considering the various possible interpretations of "divine confirmation", please explain to me what exactly you mean by "divine confirmation"?

[JehovahsWitness]

My single approach is simple, the BIble is an historical novel and nothing in it should be given credence without clear external confirmation.

My single approach is the bible is a book of religious instruction and nothing in it should be dismissed without clear divine confirmation*.

JW

Define "divine confirmation". Should God himself tell you when something is to be dismissed?

Yes, that is what I mean. That is correct, God himself informing me what (if anything) should be ignored in the bible. Of course this might be through the guidance of spirit or personal experience (see post #65 below ) or, especially when it come to my approach to interpretation through the pages of the bible itself.

HOW CAN GOD COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE BIBLE ABOUT THE BIBLE?

God uses his holy spirit to guide those with the right attitude; by making a conscious effort to find internal harmony in scripture and allowing that spirit to work one can understand which direction God wants and sincere reader to take.

JW



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[Justin108]

Define "divine confirmation". Should God himself tell you when something is to be dismissed?

Yes, that is what I mean. That is correct, God himself informing me what (if anything) should be ignored in the bible.

I take it that since you ignore nothing in the Bible that God himself has never personally informed you? Has God ever spoken to you? Can you perhaps describe how exactly God communicated with you? Was it an audible interaction as if another human being was speaking to you? Was it a physical sensation of sorts? Please, in as much detail as you can, describe to me what it is like to have God personally inform you of something.

[JehovahsWitness]

Can you perhaps describe how exactly God communicated with you?

Through holy spirit and personal experience.

Was it an audible interaction as if another human being was speaking to you?

Not as yet, no.

Please, in as much detail as you can, describe to me what it is like to have God personally inform you of something.

Yes I can. I won't, at least not to you, but I certainly could if I chose to.

JW


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[Justin108]

Can you perhaps describe how exactly God communicated with you?

Through holy spirit.

Let's take another look at what I asked, shall we?

Can you perhaps describe how exactly God communicated with you? Was it an audible interaction as if another human being was speaking to you? Was it a physical sensation of sorts? Please, in as much detail as you can, describe to me what it is like to have God personally inform you of something.

Now noting the parts highlighted in bold, please try again.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 66 by Justin108]

See above. Was there anything else you wanted to ask?

JW

[Justin108]

Please, in as much detail as you can, describe to me what it is like to have God personally inform you of something.

Yes I can. I won't be, at least not to you, but I certainly could if I chose to.

JW

I see you edited your post. Your aversion has been noted. I expect nothing less of you. Enjoy your day.

[JehovahsWitness]

I take it that since you ignore nothing in the Bible that God himself has never personally informed you?

I can't say I know everything in the bible by heart and I am far from perfect, but I will say I never willfully ignore the bible, doing my best to apply its laws and principles. I have yet to be informed by my maker to ignore anything in it, so I don't. I feel confident if he wanted me to ignore anything in the bible, he'd find a way to let me know.

I see you edited your post. ... Enjoy your day.

Yes I have, I'm glad you have taken note. Enjoy your own,

JW