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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
- Can you define this "future" kingdom? (ie "The future kingdom is.....")Checkpoint wrote: "The Kingdom of God is said to take away all problems! No more wars, no more suffering, no more death".
That does not happen, you know, until Revelation 21; it is, rather, the future kingdom, which is the final result of his present reign as king.
It's a phrase of its time, no longer applicable in any way that suggests power. Kings no longer preach war and ride bravely into battle. God was seen as a heavenly king with a kingdom, presumably of stars and planets. Heaven, you recall, is the area spread out above the clouds where the Rex Tremendus would be supposed to live, as seen through the eyes of a native of the 1st century.
There are many prayers in the Bible. Jesus is only recorded in the Bible to have said 'let your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven'. There is no record of anyone else saying this. So, where did you get this idea or is it your own? Is there some book of the period filled with prayers with that specific phrase?marco wrote:It's a phrase of its time,
You misunderstand. Forgive the gauche way in which I phrased my response. I mean that the words belong to a past world, not to the modern world. Talk of kingdoms no longer has the powerful oratorical effect it once had; for kings are mainly subservient, though the Arabic ones have an uncanny influence.2timothy316 wrote:There are many prayers in the Bible. Jesus is only recorded in the Bible to have said 'let your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven'. There is no record of anyone else saying this. So, where did you get this idea or is it your own? Is there some book of the period filled with prayers with that specific phrase?marco wrote:It's a phrase of its time,
And what were you saying about "your cult"? I didn't get that.marco wrote:You misunderstand. Forgive the gauche way in which I phrased my response. I mean that the words belong to a past world, not to the modern world. Talk of kingdoms no longer has the powerful oratorical effect it once had; for kings are mainly subservient, though the Arabic ones have an uncanny influence.2timothy316 wrote:There are many prayers in the Bible. Jesus is only recorded in the Bible to have said 'let your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven'. There is no record of anyone else saying this. So, where did you get this idea or is it your own? Is there some book of the period filled with prayers with that specific phrase?marco wrote:It's a phrase of its time,
Thank you for asking.JehovahsWitness wrote:- Can you define this "future" kingdom? (ie "The future kingdom is.....")Checkpoint wrote: "The Kingdom of God is said to take away all problems! No more wars, no more suffering, no more death".
That does not happen, you know, until Revelation 21; it is, rather, the future kingdom, which is the final result of his present reign as king.
- Can you define the "present kingdom"?
- What is the difference between the "future kingdom" and "the present kingdom"?
- Which kingdom are we praying for when we say "thy kingdom come"?
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- Which kingdom are we praying for when we say "thy kingdom come"?
So God's kingdom is the good actions of believers. Does that sum up what you believe the kingdom of God is?Checkpoint wrote: It is wherever and whenever God's will is done among or by those who are praying to Him.
So I take it you mean that the one kingdom (reign) extends its rule into the future. Please feel free to correct me.Checkpoint wrote:This kingdom has both a present age and a future age. Each on earth, and each the one kingdom of God.
