The kingdom of God.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:40 am

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.

So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:04 am

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Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:20 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: It is wherever and whenever God's will is done among or by those who are praying to Him.
So God's kingdom is the good actions of believers. Does that sum up what you believe the kingdom of God is?

JW

It is what I said, "whenever God's will is done......"

It is not so much "the good actions of believers", but rather, God's actions and choices as King and ruler of a largely alien world, where His kingdom authority is welcomed by the few and ignored or rejected by the many.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:25 am

Checkpoint wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: It is wherever and whenever God's will is done among or by those who are praying to Him.
So God's kingdom is the good actions of believers. Does that sum up what you believe the kingdom of God is?

JW
It is what I said, "whenever God's will is done......"

It is not so much "the good actions of believers", but rather, as King and ruler of a largely alien world, where His kingdom authority is welcomed by the few and ignored or rejected by the many.

So we can define God's kingdom (that we pray to come) as "God's actions and choices" is that correct?

If so, when did it start ruling?

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:18 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: It is wherever and whenever God's will is done among or by those who are praying to Him.
So God's kingdom is the good actions of believers. Does that sum up what you believe the kingdom of God is?

JW
It is what I said, "whenever God's will is done......"

It is not so much "the good actions of believers", but rather, as King and ruler of a largely alien world, where His kingdom authority is welcomed by the few and ignored or rejected by the many.
So we can define God's kingdom (that we pray to come) as "God's actions and choices" is that correct?

If so, when did it start ruling?

When God's actions and choices started.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:35 am

Checkpoint wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:So we can define God's kingdom (that we pray to come) as "God's actions and choices" is that correct?

If so, when did it start ruling?
When God's actions and choices started.

If God'd kingdom is God's actions and the Kingdom came with God's first action, why did Jesus teach his disciples to pray "Let your kingdom come"? Since God has always been acting, does that mean that the kindgdom has already come?

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:37 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:This kingdom has both a present age and a future age. Each on earth, and each the one kingdom of God.

So I take it you mean that the one kingdom (reign) extends its rule into the future. Please feel free to correct me.
Yes, it will never end.

So there is ONE kingdom: when did it "come"? When did it start ruling?
It does not "come" one time, but multiple times in answer to that prayer in multiple expression of God's will being done.

The ruling began as soon as there was something to rule.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:45 am

Checkpoint wrote: It does not "come" one time, but multiple times in answer to that prayer in multiple expression of God's will being done.

The ruling began as soon as there was something to rule.

But you said the kingdom is "God's actions and choices": God has always been acting and making choices, even before he created anyone to rule over. So if God's Kingdom is his "actions and choices" then God's kingdom must have began before there was anything to rule over, no?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:53 am

Checkpoint wrote:
So I take it you mean that the one kingdom (reign) extends its rule into the future. Please feel free to correct me.
Yes, it will never end..

So God's Kingdom (which can be defined as "God's actions and choices"), for which Jesus taught his followers to pray, started ruling at some point in the past and will extend it's rule into the future. I think I understand what you are saying now.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:53 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:So we can define God's kingdom (that we pray to come) as "God's actions and choices" is that correct?

If so, when did it start ruling?
When God's actions and choices started.
If God'd kingdom is God's actions and the Kingdom came with God's first action, why did Jesus teach his disciples to pray "Let your kingdom come"? Since God has always been acting, does that mean that the kindgdom has already come?

Yes, it has already come, it keeps on coming, and it will come in the future.

God always has been, and always will be, on His throne.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:00 am

Checkpoint wrote: Yes, it has already come, it keeps on coming, and it will come in the future.

So God's kingdom started ruling in the past and will extend it rule into the future. What domain will it be ruling over in the future? Is it possible that rule will one day dominate the entire literal planet earth?

Matthew 6 v 10 Young's Literal Translationn "Thy reign come: Thy will come to pass, as in heaven also on THE EARTH."

Isaiah 11: 9
There shall be no harm or ruin on all my holy mountain; for THE EARTH shall be filled with knowledge of the LORD, as water covers the sea." -- New American Bible

Ecclesiastes 1: 4
"One generation goes and another comes; but THE EARTH is forever."

Proverbs 2 v 21, 22 Douay-Rheims Bible
"For they that are upright shall dwell in THE EARTH, and the simple shall continue in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. -- King James Bible

Matthew 5: 5 American Standard Version
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit THE EARTH."

Psalms 115:16 "The heavens belong to the LORD, but he has given THE EARTH to all humanity." New Living Translation (Â©2007)

PSALMS 72v8
May he also rule from sea to sea And from the River to the ends of THE EARTH. New American Standard Bible (Â©1995)

Psalms 37:29 "The righteous themselves will possess THE EARTH, and they will reside forever upon it."

Psalms 37:11:
"But the meek ones themselves will possess THE EARTH, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."