JESUS IS NOT YHWH

[onewithhim]

Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?

He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?

He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?

Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?


I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 259 by onewithhim]

Why couldn't He be? YHVH created the archangel who later became Jesus of Nazareth before anything else was created. Jesus has been around for billions of years, if not trillions or multiple quadrillions of years.

Colossians 1:15

Colossians

Colossians is neither revealed on Jesus from YHVH nor written by Jesus nor dictated by Jesus nor written by a person authorized by Jesus to write on his behalf during the period of his ministry in Jerusalem. Right, please?
Regards

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 259 by onewithhim]

Why couldn't He be? YHVH created the archangel who later became Jesus of Nazareth before anything else was created. Jesus has been around for billions of years, if not trillions or multiple quadrillions of years.

Colossians 1:15

Colossians

Colossians is neither revealed on Jesus from YHVH nor written by Jesus nor dictated by Jesus nor written by a person authorized by Jesus to write on his behalf during the period of his ministry in Jerusalem. Right, please?
Regards

Yes, the letter to the Colossians was written by Paul, who was appointed by Jesus Himself to preach about Him. Paul was definitely authorized to write on Jesus' behalf. He went all over the Mediterranean.

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 259 by onewithhim]

Why couldn't He be? YHVH created the archangel who later became Jesus of Nazareth before anything else was created. Jesus has been around for billions of years, if not trillions or multiple quadrillions of years.

Colossians 1:15

Colossians

Colossians is neither revealed on Jesus from YHVH nor written by Jesus nor dictated by Jesus nor written by a person authorized by Jesus to write on his behalf during the period of his ministry in Jerusalem. Right, please?
Regards

Yes, the letter to the Colossians was written by Paul, who was appointed by Jesus Himself to preach about Him. Paul was definitely authorized to write on Jesus' behalf. He went all over the Mediterranean.

I understand that that never happened. Paul just told that it has happened. Paul was never in the association of Jesus. Sorry, no authorization from Jesus, please.
Regards

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 259 by onewithhim]

Why couldn't He be? YHVH created the archangel who later became Jesus of Nazareth before anything else was created. Jesus has been around for billions of years, if not trillions or multiple quadrillions of years.

Colossians 1:15

Colossians

Colossians is neither revealed on Jesus from YHVH nor written by Jesus nor dictated by Jesus nor written by a person authorized by Jesus to write on his behalf during the period of his ministry in Jerusalem. Right, please?
Regards

Yes, the letter to the Colossians was written by Paul, who was appointed by Jesus Himself to preach about Him. Paul was definitely authorized to write on Jesus' behalf. He went all over the Mediterranean.

I understand that that never happened. Paul just told that it has happened. Paul was never in the association of Jesus. Sorry, no authorization from Jesus, please.
Regards

Where do you get your information?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 259 by onewithhim]

Why couldn't He be? YHVH created the archangel who later became Jesus of Nazareth before anything else was created. Jesus has been around for billions of years, if not trillions or multiple quadrillions of years.

Colossians 1:15

Jesus was never a created angel, but became flesh named Jesus.

That was when he came into being; before that he was not around as Jesus.

[liamconnor]

Is the topic still "Is Jesus YHWH?" or has it changed?

I maintain that whether or not Jesus was YHWH, the N.T. does nothing but affirm it. Maybe they were wrong; but that is what they thought.

[Checkpoint]

Is the topic still "Is Jesus YHWH?" or has it changed?

I maintain that whether or not Jesus was YHWH, the N.T. does nothing but affirm it. Maybe they were wrong; but that is what they thought.

I maintain the opposite view, that the N.T. denies it.

Although many Christians say that he was/is, I think it is likelythey are wrong.

[polonius]

Is the topic still "Is Jesus YHWH?" or has it changed?

I maintain that whether or not Jesus was YHWH, the N.T. does nothing but affirm it. Maybe they were wrong; but that is what they thought.

I maintain the opposite view, that the N.T. denies it.

Although many Christians say that he was/is, I think it is likelythey are wrong.

RESPONSE: Not at all. "The Father is greater than I" Spoken by Jesus. "YHWH" is a different person.

[onewithhim]

Is the topic still "Is Jesus YHWH?" or has it changed?

I maintain that whether or not Jesus was YHWH, the N.T. does nothing but affirm it. Maybe they were wrong; but that is what they thought.

No they did not. No way.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 267 by polonius.advice]

It is refreshing to see that many here understand that the Scriptures clearly show that YHWH and His Son Jesus are two distinct individuals.