If we are to assess how good a man is as a father we would perhaps list the various good things he has done for his children. Let's look back over the past century to see what good God has done for humanity. Of course we could say he's given us RAIN; he's given our cattle GRASS; he has supplied OXYGEN over the Earth's lifetime. But what has he done recently? Some would say he's not been too good, having sent hurricanes, floods and tsunamis and famines.
Are there ANY good things we could say God has done in the last century?
Has he stopped being good?
Would it be right to conclude there is no evidence of goodness, so it would be best to consider there is no God rather than there is a bad God?
What has God done in past century?
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I literally cannot think of any answer to this question that would satisfy a committed atheist. No matter what a theists says that God has done, the atheist will always come back with, God didnt do that, it was just X that caused it.
I literally cannot think of any answer to this question that would satisfy a committed atheist. No matter what a theists says that God has done, the atheist will always come back with, God didnt do that, it was just X that caused it.
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Re: What has God done in past century?
Post #3bjs wrote: [Replying to marco]
I literally cannot think of any answer to this question that would satisfy a committed atheist. No matter what a theists says that God has done, the atheist will always come back with, God didnt do that, it was just X that caused it.
Well I am not a "committed atheist" since I would consider that stance obdurately foolish, as though ignorance of any god meant knowledge of none.
You are presumably saying that the answers that would persuade some believers: spring flowers, nice clothes, new car ... are objectively inadequate. I was hoping there might be an inspired something that at least causes one to think.
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What would you expect God to be doing?
If you expect God is Christian then I can tell you he is constantly working through his people to share the good news.
What would you expect God to be doing?
If you expect God is Christian then I can tell you he is constantly working through his people to share the good news.
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Yes he has gathered and sustained his people to perform a worldwide preaching work, indeed the greatest preaching campaign the world has ever seen. This has only been possible in his strength to the benefit of all the honest hearted people that have responded.
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Yes he has gathered and sustained his people to perform a worldwide preaching work, indeed the greatest preaching campaign the world has ever seen. This has only been possible in his strength to the benefit of all the honest hearted people that have responded.
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Post #6Nor, I notice, is there anything you can answer that would satisfy yourself.bjs wrote: [Replying to marco]
I literally cannot think of any answer to this question that would satisfy a committed atheist. No matter what a theists says that God has done, the atheist will always come back with, God didnt do that, it was just X that caused it.
I will never understand how someone who claims to know the ultimate truth, of God, believes they deserve respect, when they cannot distinguish it from a fairy-tale.
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Post #7[Replying to post 4 by Wootah]
Wootah, JW, how would either of those things convince anyone but the already convinced?
I mean, how would pointing to the existence of evangelizing Christians or the activity of the WTS be persuasive that God does indeed, act in the world today?
Seems you are both preaching to the choir.
And folks from other religions and non-Evangelical Christians see other things as evidence for God's activity.
Things like humans acting as the Good LORD inspires us to do, i.e. with lovingkindness, compassion, mercy, heroism, charity, and benevolence. And for us believers the things so many of us are so grateful for in everyday life, the blessings are also evidence of God's activity in our lives and (from our perspective) in the lives of non-believers as well!
For many of us Theists, these things are reminders of how God has been acting in the present day.
For the skeptic, these are the things we need to demonstrate to them as evidence and a witness for God's benevolent activity, even in these troubled times.
When it comes down to it, preaching is of little effect. A good example is a far better witness.
Wootah, JW, how would either of those things convince anyone but the already convinced?
I mean, how would pointing to the existence of evangelizing Christians or the activity of the WTS be persuasive that God does indeed, act in the world today?
Seems you are both preaching to the choir.
And folks from other religions and non-Evangelical Christians see other things as evidence for God's activity.
Things like humans acting as the Good LORD inspires us to do, i.e. with lovingkindness, compassion, mercy, heroism, charity, and benevolence. And for us believers the things so many of us are so grateful for in everyday life, the blessings are also evidence of God's activity in our lives and (from our perspective) in the lives of non-believers as well!
For many of us Theists, these things are reminders of how God has been acting in the present day.
For the skeptic, these are the things we need to demonstrate to them as evidence and a witness for God's benevolent activity, even in these troubled times.
When it comes down to it, preaching is of little effect. A good example is a far better witness.
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Post #8(quotation marks inserted)Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 1 by marco]
What would you expect God to be doing?
If you expect "God is Christian" then I can tell you he is constantly working through his people to share the good news.
Please demonstrate that "God is a Christian".
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-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Post #9Isnt good just a subjective opinion?marco wrote: Are there ANY good things we could say God has done in the last century?
Has he stopped being good?
I personally believe God has taken good care of me and has kept the promises in the Bible. I think that is good. But I also think it doesnt mean anything to you.
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Post #10The onus is not on me to suggest deeds for God but one recognises a box of chocolates when one sees it, and the thought behind it.Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 1 by marco]
What would you expect God to be doing?
If you expect God is Christian then I can tell you he is constantly working through his people to share the good news.
You can tell me that you believe the Christian God is working hard. I can suggest he's not. My reason? Look around at the misery in the world. No chocolates at all. No manna from heaven and no Red Sea opening up.

