Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses?

[paarsurrey1]

Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses, please?

1 Corinthians

12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God* that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
http://biblehub.com/niv/1_corinthians/15.htm

Jesus did not die on the Cross, he survived, so as per Paul's own argument Pauline-Christianity's "faith is futile". Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.
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*Jehovah

This entails that the Jehovah-Witnesses' people who believe in Paul and the Pauline-Christianity, are false witnesses as long as, and if they have no concrete evidence/s of Jesus, not dying on the Cross.Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.

Regards

[JP Cusick]

Jesus survived a cursed death against all odds and migrated from Judea, and Jews failed to kill him or crucify him. This the real Miracle Jesus promised to the Jews and it happened exactly. This proved that Jesus was a truthful prophet/messenger of G-d and not a false one. Right, please?

That is my understanding too, that the Bible really does describe how Jesus was crucified but His body was taken down which thereby allowed Jesus to recover and to live on at least another 40 days, as told in Acts 1:3.

The text also tells about the Roman soldier using a spear to puncture the side of Jesus, John 19:34, which would thereby drain the fluid away from His heart and lungs and thereby Jesus survived which was a miracle indeed.

And the Bible tells that the Apostles doubted that Jesus had survived and Jesus said to see the spear wound and the holes in His hands because He was not resurrected but still alive in His severely wounded body.

The old language of the 1st century had no concept of resuscitation, and so the reality got lost and confused and misunderstood.



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Give an example of a miracle that is now explained.

One example = the science of the "Big-Bang" is the real proof of the miracle of creation, as the creation miracle has now been proved as accurate and true.

A second example is that modern medicine has been able to bring some people back from the dead, so Jesus being resuscitated can be proven as possible and realistic.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus survived a cursed death against all odds and migrated from Judea, and Jews failed to kill him or crucify him. This the real Miracle Jesus promised to the Jews and it happened exactly. This proved that Jesus was a truthful prophet/messenger of G-d and not a false one. Right, please?

That is my understanding too, that the Bible really does describe how Jesus was crucified but His body was taken down which thereby allowed Jesus to recover and to live on at least another 40 days, as told in Acts 1:3.

The text also tells about the Roman soldier using a spear to puncture the side of Jesus, John 19:34, which would thereby drain the fluid away from His heart and lungs and thereby Jesus survived which was a miracle indeed.

And the Bible tells that the Apostles doubted that Jesus had survived and Jesus said to see the spear wound and the holes in His hands because He was not resurrected but still alive in His severely wounded body.

The old language of the 1st century had no concept of resuscitation, and so the reality got lost and confused and misunderstood.



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Give an example of a miracle that is now explained.

One example = the science of the "Big-Bang" is the real proof of the miracle of creation, as the creation miracle has now been proved as accurate and true.

A second example is that modern medicine has been able to bring some people back from the dead, so Jesus being resuscitated can be proven as possible and realistic.

Every time I think I've seen and read it all (I live in an area 80% Muslim so their position is no surprise to me) but every time I think I've heard the view of every flavor of "christian" someone comes a long and proves me wrong. Now I have something to say at my next dinner party when we play "Guess what I read on the internet the other day".

JW

[paarsurrey1]

Jesus survived a cursed death against all odds and migrated from Judea, and Jews failed to kill him or crucify him. This the real Miracle Jesus promised to the Jews and it happened exactly. This proved that Jesus was a truthful prophet/messenger of G-d and not a false one. Right, please?

That is my understanding too, that the Bible really does describe how Jesus was crucified but His body was taken down which thereby allowed Jesus to recover and to live on at least another 40 days, as told in Acts 1:3.

The text also tells about the Roman soldier using a spear to puncture the side of Jesus, John 19:34, which would thereby drain the fluid away from His heart and lungs and thereby Jesus survived which was a miracle indeed.

And the Bible tells that the Apostles doubted that Jesus had survived and Jesus said to see the spear wound and the holes in His hands because He was not resurrected but still alive in His severely wounded body.

The old language of the 1st century had no concept of resuscitation, and so the reality got lost and confused and misunderstood.



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Give an example of a miracle that is now explained.

One example = the science of the "Big-Bang" is the real proof of the miracle of creation, as the creation miracle has now been proved as accurate and true.

A second example is that modern medicine has been able to bring some people back from the dead, so Jesus being resuscitated can be proven as possible and realistic.

That is my understanding too, that the Bible really does describe how Jesus was crucified but His body was taken down which thereby allowed Jesus to recover and to live on at least another 40 days, as told in Acts 1:3.

After 40 days of the event, when Jesus was put on the Cross, Jesus went out of Judea in search of the lost ten tribes of Israel which was Jesus' mission as per clue in the NT, so Paul lost his track.

Regards

[marco]

How does one know fiction from the real, please?
Anybody, please

There are grey areas, of course. I know the Bible and Quran are fictions because REASON tells me so. The concept of Allah constantly renewing skin to burn it again is just silly. So is the promise of pretty girls waiting for lusty men. Yahweh telling old Noah to build the biggest ship the world has seen, with no machinery, and collect a menagerie of the world's animals is stupidity wrapped in ridicule.

The tale of Jesus, God's prophet, secretly slipping away to India when everyone else thought he was in the tomb donated by Joseph of Arimathea is a fiction unless there is incontrovertible evidence otherwise. There isn't.

Troy was thought to be a fiction until Heinrich Schliemann discovered what seems to be the actual location.


How do we tell? We use our reasoning powers to reach fair conclusions. Sometimes we may be wrong.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 21 by JP Cusick]

"One example = the science of the "Big-Bang" is the real proof of the miracle of creation, as the creation miracle has now been proved as accurate and true.

A second example is that modern medicine has been able to bring some people back from the dead, so Jesus being resuscitated can be proven as possible and realistic."

If it can be proven by natural science, modern medicine, it is achievement,
not a miracle.
Evolution is a theory that fits certain boxes.
The Word is eternal - God said and it was so. The same Word became flesh and hardly something earthly science would have a clue about. Jesus the Christ' resurrection may appear as a miracle to us, it certainly is no miracle for beings living in spiritual dimension.

[JP Cusick]

After 40 days of the event, when Jesus was put on the Cross, Jesus went out of Judea in search of the lost ten tribes of Israel which was Jesus' mission as per clue in the NT, so Paul lost his track.

I went back to read Acts 1:3 and it says 40 days but it does not say that Jesus died after the 40 days, so your premises that Jesus lived on could be correct, and the Apostles asked about the Kingdom of Israel in verse 6.

The text of Acts 1:3-12 declares that Jesus went up into the clouds of Heaven but verse 12 declares it was at the side of the mountain Olivet (mount of Olives), so it can easily be interpreted that Jesus went east over the mount and away from Judea and out of the Roman Empire.

[marco]

The text of Acts 1:3-12 declares that Jesus went up into the clouds of Heaven but verse 12 declares it was at the side of the mountain Olivet (mount of Olives), so it can easily be interpreted that Jesus went east over the mount and away from Judea and out of the Roman Empire.

It may be so interpreted but not EASILY. One needs a very good imagination. India isn't up in the clouds except in metaphor. However, saying Jesus hid down and scuttled away to India is amusingly better than saying he defied gravity. Presumably he washed his wounds in the polluted Ganges and got them healed. All feasible. But why would a prophet of God hide and run off in secret? Couldn't he have just discovered America or Australia?

[JehovahsWitness]

The text of Acts 1:3-12 declares that Jesus went up into the clouds of Heaven but verse 12 declares it was at the side of the mountain Olivet (mount of Olives), so it can easily be interpreted that Jesus went east over the mount and away from Judea and out of the Roman Empire.

he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I don't know why but I always enjoy your interpretations JP. I really shouldn't, I should be annoyed but somehow I never am. Maybe because they are (no offense intended) so out there in left field; "up into heaven" "in a cloud" meaning "walked away ... to the east". I must have been a pretty steep hill to make the disciples think he went "up"

Thanks JP,


JW

[paarsurrey1]

After 40 days of the event, when Jesus was put on the Cross, Jesus went out of Judea in search of the lost ten tribes of Israel which was Jesus' mission as per clue in the NT, so Paul lost his track.

I went back to read Acts 1:3 and it says 40 days but it does not say that Jesus died after the 40 days, so your premises that Jesus lived on could be correct, and the Apostles asked about the Kingdom of Israel in verse 6.

The text of Acts 1:3-12 declares that Jesus went up into the clouds of Heaven but verse 12 declares it was at the side of the mountain Olivet (mount of Olives), so it can easily be interpreted that Jesus went east over the mount and away from Judea and out of the Roman Empire.

Acts 1:3 and it says 40 days but it does not say that Jesus died after the 40 days

Paul doctored the anonymous Gospels with the sole purpose to elevate Jesus from man to a god and to that end he made the "sheep" believe that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross and then raised from the literal and physical dead.
How could Paul leave his focal point ?

Regards

[marco]

Paul doctored the anonymous Gospels with the sole purpose to elevate Jesus from man to a god and to that end he made the "sheep" believe that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross and then raised from the literal and physical dead.
How could Paul leave his focal point ?

Luckily Muhammad wasn't fooled by crafty Paul's attempts to deify Jesus. Muhammad thought up the Quran and explained all the flaws in the gospels, making himself the Big Cheese. We must remember that Paul gave us these words:

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

I can find nothing as beautiful as this in the Quran.