Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is

[paarsurrey1]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

Regards

[marco]

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in Atheism. Really?

My dear paarsurrey, hard though it is, you are going to have to expand on your succinct views. Questions raise answers but not from you.

Atheists come in all shapes and sizes of opinions. They are not a group united in believing something concrete. In my case I have rejected the Abrahamic God for a number of reasons which I can produce and defend. I have not, instead, invested in some other fantasy. I simply do not know what exists beyond my existence, though mathematics entitles me to suppose that our spark of life is a mere glimmer of infinite variety. That there should be a presiding unseen deity over all that we have, uniquely concerned not with the afterlife of whales or even sparrows, but with man, is, for me, an expression of unjustified pride, an exaggerated assessment of humanity. There may well be something out there: Yahweh/Allah isn't it. Thankfully.

[paarsurrey1]

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in Atheism. Really?

My dear paarsurrey, hard though it is, you are going to have to expand on your succinct views. Questions raise answers but not from you.

Atheists come in all shapes and sizes of opinions. They are not a group united in believing something concrete. In my case I have rejected the Abrahamic God for a number of reasons which I can produce and defend. I have not, instead, invested in some other fantasy. I simply do not know what exists beyond my existence, though mathematics entitles me to suppose that our spark of life is a mere glimmer of infinite variety. That there should be a presiding unseen deity over all that we have, uniquely concerned not with the afterlife of whales or even sparrows, but with man, is, for me, an expression of unjustified pride, an exaggerated assessment of humanity. There may well be something out there: Yahweh/Allah isn't it. Thankfully.

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in any form of Atheism, as I see it. If not, one need not remain there. Right, please?

Regards

Regards

[marco]

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in any form of Atheism, as I see it. If not, one need not remain there. Right, please?

One of the problems with English is that a word can wear many meanings. You are using faith in one sense and expecting it to behave in another.

To have faith and to have "faith in" are different. It is completely wrong to say an atheist has no faith in atheism. Atheists have no faith in gods; they of course accept their atheism. You want to use the word "faith" to describe the rejection of gods. It is the wrong word, and so when you expand on this error you get deeper into being wrong.

It is unsafe to play around with English vocabulary and expect to prove a point.

[paarsurrey1]

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in any form of Atheism, as I see it. If not, one need not remain there. Right, please?

One of the problems with English is that a word can wear many meanings. You are using faith in one sense and expecting it to behave in another.

To have faith and to have "faith in" are different. It is completely wrong to say an atheist has no faith in atheism. Atheists have no faith in gods; they of course accept their atheism. You want to use the word "faith" to describe the rejection of gods. It is the wrong word, and so when you expand on this error you get deeper into being wrong.

It is unsafe to play around with English vocabulary and expect to prove a point.

have faith in
idiom

Definition of HAVE FAITH IN
: to believe that (someone or something) deserves to be trusted
His parents have always had faith in him.

We had faith in her ability to succeed.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... faith%20in

have faith

Synonyms for have faith
verb long for, dream about
anticipate
assume
believe
cherish
count on
expect
hold
wish
aspire
await
contemplate
desire
foresee
pray
presume
rely
*

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/have%20faith

*(etc. paarsurrey)

to have faith or to have faith in seem to have more or less the same understanding, please.
Right, please?

Regards

[H.sapiens]

It will be considered totally out of place and sheer irrational if one says that the universe is man-made; the same way it will be sheer wrong to say that truthful-religion or the Word Revealed is man-made.

There is no such thing as a truthful-religion.

All religions are faith-based. That is to say that to place your faith in them is wishful thinking.

No religion has ever been shown to be truthful.

Certain specific religions can be demonstrated to be clearly false. All the Abrahamic religions fall into that category. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all clearly false religions. There can be no doubt about this because the mythological tales they are based upon can be shown to be necessarily false.

There are a few religions that are extremely difficult to demonstrate to be necessarily false. Those would be the pantheistic or panentheistic religions. This is because these religions don't make claims that are demonstrably false like the Abrahamic religions do. Of course this doesn't make the pantheistic religions false.

Moreover, even the pantheistic religions are still "man-made". They are simply man-made religions that could potentially be true anyway. But the Abrahamic religions are clearly man-made religions that can't possibly be true due to the self-contradictory nature of their own claims.

So all religion is man-made. But some of the more mystical religions could also coincidentally happen to be true.

Keep in mind that the idea of Solipsism is a man-made idea. Yet Solipsism cannot be demonstrated to be false either. But this, of course, does not automatically make it true.

All religions are faith-based.

All forms of no-religion are also faith-based, please.
Regards

That is simply false.

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in Atheism. Really?

Regards

That is the first correct thing that you have said.

[marco]

to have faith or to have faith in seem to have more or less the same understanding,

Paarsurrey, I have already said that there is a difference between "to have faith" and "to have faith in" as you are employing the terms here. There may well be instances where there is a close similarity, but NOT in the way you are intending.

Atheists have a faith means that they have a belief system, like the Catholic faith or the Islamic faith. This is untrue.
Atheists have a faith in something means they trust it to be true. They can have a faith in the people who report on the weather or a faith in science. It does NOT mean that science is their faith, nor is meteorology.

I am highly competent in all aspects of English usage, so I don't need to be given definitions of words and phrases. It is clever of you to approach the debate using the word faith in different senses but it illustrates nothing at all.

[paarsurrey1]

It will be considered totally out of place and sheer irrational if one says that the universe is man-made; the same way it will be sheer wrong to say that truthful-religion or the Word Revealed is man-made.

There is no such thing as a truthful-religion.

All religions are faith-based. That is to say that to place your faith in them is wishful thinking.

No religion has ever been shown to be truthful.

Certain specific religions can be demonstrated to be clearly false. All the Abrahamic religions fall into that category. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all clearly false religions. There can be no doubt about this because the mythological tales they are based upon can be shown to be necessarily false.

There are a few religions that are extremely difficult to demonstrate to be necessarily false. Those would be the pantheistic or panentheistic religions. This is because these religions don't make claims that are demonstrably false like the Abrahamic religions do. Of course this doesn't make the pantheistic religions false.

Moreover, even the pantheistic religions are still "man-made". They are simply man-made religions that could potentially be true anyway. But the Abrahamic religions are clearly man-made religions that can't possibly be true due to the self-contradictory nature of their own claims.

So all religion is man-made. But some of the more mystical religions could also coincidentally happen to be true.

Keep in mind that the idea of Solipsism is a man-made idea. Yet Solipsism cannot be demonstrated to be false either. But this, of course, does not automatically make it true.

All religions are faith-based.

All forms of no-religion are also faith-based, please.
Regards

That is simply false.

So one doesn't have any faith or trust in Atheism. Really?

Regards

That is the first correct thing that you have said.

Thanks for your appreciation, please.

Regards

[Danmark]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

No, it is not at all like that. One statement does not follow from the other. It is easy to understand that religion is manmade. In fact all who believe in one religion and reject the others believes that all religions are man made, expect of course their own.

However, NO ONE claims the universe is man made or has shown such an absurdity is even remotely possible. Therefore, paarsurrey1, the entire basis of your post is invalid and non logical.

[paarsurrey1]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

No, it is not at all like that. One statement does not follow from the other. It is easy to understand that religion is manmade. In fact all who believe in one religion and reject the others believes that all religions are man made, expect of course their own.

However, NO ONE claims the universe is man made or has shown such an absurdity is even remotely possible. Therefore, paarsurrey1, the entire basis of your post is invalid and non logical.

NO ONE claims the universe is man made

If claim is necessary for existence , the same way God is not man-made. God claims that He exists and His claim is reasonable, please. Right, please.

Regards

[marco]

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God claims that He exists and His claim is reasonable, please. Right, please.

Can you give the location of the text where "God claims" he exists. All the same I doubt whether, in usual discussion, God would be admitted as an example of someone "claiming" God exists. Believers claim God exists; paarsurrey claims God exists, as does Pope Francis. These claims may be "reasonable" but were God to claim he exists, I wouldn't call this "reasonable." Incontrovertible, maybe, if we could actually hear it.