The assertion “God does not exist� can be dismissed without evidence
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.�
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Post #11Don't particularly care one way or the other.Tcg wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean with the phrase, "produce a god for examination". In any case, what you are describing here is a failure on the theist's part. This may or may not be because the god they are backing doesn't exist.
What are we even talking about, if not specific god/gods theists are putting forward for discussion?At best, it is evidence the specific god/gods they are backing don't exist.
If the description of a particular god rules out expectation of evidence, then it can be rules out philosophically via the principle of parsimony. More to the point, the god/gods that theists are backing, comes with the expectation of evidence.The expectation of evidence would be based on the description of the god/gods you are expecting to see evidence for. The absence of evidence may mean that the god/gods you are looking for don't exist. It may also mean that you are looking for the wrong kind of evidence. It may also mean that you are looking for the wrong god/gods.
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Post #12You don't care bout what you mean by, "produce a god for examination"?
You made the claim that it would apply to all gods. That a failure to produce evidence for specific god/gods would support the universal conclusion that no god/gods exist.What are we even talking about, if not specific god/gods theists are putting forward for discussion?
I referred to expectation of specific evidence. What specific evidence are you expecting to find? If you don't find it, how could you conclude that it is evidence that any and all god/gods don't exist?If the description of a particular god rules out expectation of evidence, then it can be rules out philosophically via the principle of parsimony. More to the point, the god/gods that theists are backing, comes with the expectation of evidence.
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Re: “God does not exist� can be dismissed without eviden
Post #13Tcg wrote:Bust Nak wrote:
The expectation of evidence would be based on the description of the god/gods you are expecting to see evidence for. The absence of evidence may mean that the god/gods you are looking for don't exist. It may also mean that you are looking for the wrong kind of evidence. It may also mean that you are looking for the wrong god/gods.Allah, "The All-'Evident' " is evident, therefore, He needs no evidence. He exists and has bestowed existence to everything inanimate or animate within the universe/s and beyond. Do you exist even, please?evidence
Atheism have never provided any evidence of "God does not exist", therefore their assertion needs and merits certainly be dismissed. Right, please?
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Post #14No, I don't care whether the lack of evidence is due to failure on the theists' fault only, if the lack of evidence is actually due to a lack of gods.Tcg wrote: You don't care bout what you mean by, "produce a god for examination"?
It's not just a failure for specific gods though. It's failure for all gods.You made the claim that it would apply to all gods. That a failure to produce evidence for specific god/gods would support the universal conclusion that no god/gods exist.
For which God in particular?I referred to expectation of specific evidence. What specific evidence are you expecting to find?
I am confused, are you asking if I cannot find evidence for one particular god, how can I conclude that it is evidence that no gods exist? I couldn't, in that case. Are you asking if I cannot find evidence for any and all gods, then how can I conclude that there isn't any gods? Because that's what the evidence shows?If you don't find it, how could you conclude that it is evidence that any and all god/gods don't exist?
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Post #15I don't care if he needs evidence or not. I need evidence before I believe, so can you provide it or not?paarsurrey1 wrote: Allah, "The All-'Evident' " is evident, therefore, He needs no evidence.
Oh? Prove it.He exists and has bestowed existence to everything inanimate or animate within the universe/s and beyond.
Yes.Do you exist even, please?
Asked and answered. Atheism cannot be dismissed because we have evidence.Atheism have never provided any evidence of "God does not exist", therefore their assertion needs and merits certainly be dismissed. Right, please?
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Post #16Good thing I never made that claim. Can you quote an atheist on this forum who made that claim?paarsurrey1 wrote: The assertion “God does not exist� can be dismissed without evidence
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.�
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Post #17So you believe in God. Don't you, please?Justin108 wrote:Good thing I never made that claim. Can you quote an atheist on this forum who made that claim?paarsurrey1 wrote: The assertion “God does not exist� can be dismissed without evidence
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.�
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Post #18Saying "I do not believe God exists" is very different from saying "God does not exist".paarsurrey1 wrote:So you believe in God. Don't you, please?Justin108 wrote:Good thing I never made that claim. Can you quote an atheist on this forum who made that claim?paarsurrey1 wrote: The assertion “God does not exist� can be dismissed without evidence
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.�
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Post #19[Replying to post 18 by Justin108]
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Please express yourself fully.Justin108
Saying "I do not believe God exists" is very different from saying "God does not exist".
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Re: “God does not exist� can be dismissed without eviden
Post #20Decartes showed that I am the only thing that I can be absolutely sure to exist.paarsurrey1 wrote:Allah, "The All-'Evident' " is evident, therefore, He needs no evidence. He exists and has bestowed existence to everything inanimate or animate within the universe/s and beyond. Do you exist even, please?
You seem to be confusing existence with validity. It is pointless and meaningless to discuss whether or not a proposition like, "God does not exist" itself exists.paarsurrey1 wrote:Atheism have never provided any evidence of "God does not exist", therefore their assertion needs and merits certainly be dismissed. Right, please?
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The truth will make you free.
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