Why is god in hiding?

[JJ50]

If the Biblical god exists why does it hide away, making its existence a matter of faith not reality?

Those who claim there is evidence that god exists, can never provide that evidence.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 1 by JJ50]

That's not exactly true...

It is actually a progression:

When man had trouble climbing mountains - didn't have time because he was fighting to live and farm:
God was on the top of Mt. Sinai.

When man went looking for him on the top of Sinai, and didn't find him (again - Moses, more likely paranoid schizophrenic than prophet,) it was because God wouldn't take up residence in one place, he was everywhere - in the sky/in the clouds.

When man went looking for him in the clouds, in their airplanes, and didn't find him, God was in space.

But as Yuri Gagarin said, "I see no God up here."

So, rather desperately, believers keep pushing the envelop - claiming, unlike every other REAL thing in existence, God can't be detected. They fail to realize God shares this property with fire-breathing dragons.

Or, "now" he exists in another dimension, where Heaven is. Pushing the envelop to where they believe we can't look, thereby making the world safe for Judeo-Christianity.

They don't seem to acknowledge, that in order to interact with something, such as by prayer or whatever, that thing can be detected by the interaction.

[JJ50]

As I said there is no evidence any god exists.

[marco]

If the Biblical god exists why does it hide away, making its existence a matter of faith not reality?

Those who claim there is evidence that god exists, can never provide that evidence.

Well they do provide it. It may not accepted as convincing. The complexity of an eye was surely designed, they will say. God is the designer.
Everything is caused by something. But we can't go on for ever claiming something caused this or that. God is the first cause.
And if we discover something complex, like a watch in the desert sand, we do not deduce that the action of sand blowing eventually made the watch. So chance seems ruled out.

We can argue against these, and then we throw up a coin: heads we believe, tails we don't. Heads is sometimes called Faith.

[JJ50]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

They don't provide anything verifiable.

[marco]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

They don't provide anything verifiable.

Well that's sometimes the nature of evidence. It isn't proof but a basis on which we might form a judgement, as in a court of law. For some the evidence is overwhelming. I've just read a book by a former atheist who was thoroughly convinced by the astronomically small chance (as he was shown it) of things happening by chance. In earthly areas we use statistics to reach a conclusion, accepting 99% confidence in our being right or, if we want, 99.99% confidence. Some people apply the same sort of test to the existence of God.

[dianaiad]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

They don't provide anything verifiable.

Define 'verifiable.'

Really. What would you consider 'verifiable' evidence?

Now me, I believe that God is....and not only that, but that my idea of Who/What He is is as close as humans can get to the idea.

However, I well understand that I cannot prove to anybody else that my idea of Him is correct...or even that any idea of Him is correct. The evidence I base my belief upon is very personal, subjective, and 'non-transferable.'

As well, I learned quite awhile ago that for a great many of those who demand such 'verifiable' proof simply move the goal posts when presented with something that MIGHT be considered such.

Shoot, as I mentioned this morning in another post, I have had (really!) people tell me that they wouldn't believe in God if He appeared to them Personally and told them what was what.

The reason? Because, they believe, there is no possibility of a deity, then any evidence that seems to indicate that One might exist MUST then be flawed. Very circular, actually, which when one thinks about it, is very funny.

[JJ50]

[Replying to post 7 by dianaiad]

Verifiable evidence would be for god to put in an appearance so all humanity could see it and there could be no doubt it exists.

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 7 by dianaiad]

Verifiable evidence would be for god to put in an appearance so all humanity could see it and there could be no doubt it exists.

And then what?? All will be well in the world?

Those who accept the Bible as evidence read Romans 1 to say that GOD's divinity and power have been seen so clearly, ie, proven, that they are without excuse yet they repress that proof to be able to indulge in their sins without guilt...they love their sins more than the truth: 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who SUPPRESS the truth by their wickedness, and the whole rest of the chapter.

[1213]

If the Biblical god exists why does it hide away, making its existence a matter of faith not reality?

Those who claim there is evidence that god exists, can never provide that evidence.

Are you looking right things? When you say God is hiding, what do you think you should see, when you see God? What are you seeking, if you seek God?

According to the Bible, God is spirit and love. What do you think you should see, when you see spirit and love?

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8