Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[showme]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

Mt 5:5 states the "gentle" shall "inherit the earth". It doesn't say the "gentle" will not die. nor does it describe the condition of the earth. As for Psalm 37:9-11, it simply says the "wicked" will "not be there". As for Psalm 37:29-36, it is simply that the Righteous, are those with the "Law of God is in his heart", whereas the "wicked" "who seeks to kill him (the righteous)" was "no more".

You might want to fill in your quotes. It may help in keeping you from twisting what was actually written.

It is the message of the "serpent" (Genesis 3:4), and the false prophet Paul, that says you surely shall not die. It is the message of God (Jeremiah 31:30), which states you surely shall die for your own iniquity.

It looks like YOU are twisting the meanings of the verses. You addressed part of Psalm 37:9-11 but left out "those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth," and "The meek will possess the earth and will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." Verse 29, which you failed to mention, says, "The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." Why did you overlook those sentiments? YOU need to "fill in" the Scriptures, and not leave out important thoughts.

The verses clearly refer to the time when evil people no longer exist, and this Christians refer to as Armageddon. After the evil people are gone, righteous people will be able to live on the earth in paradise conditions forever.

Let us not go to the bible written by the JWs. Let us go to a credible neutral source. The JWs bible has a tendency to go off the cliff.

Psalms 37: 9For evildoers will be cut off,
But those who wait for the LORD, they will inherit the land.
10Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more;
And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.
11But the humble will inherit the land
And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity.

The first part is that evil doers will be cut off. That would refer to the wicked, the tares of Matthew 13:49-50. Who according to Matthew 13:30, are the first gathered up, and thrown into the fire. As for where they go, they are thrown into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:42) where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Remember, hopefully for you, some come out of the refining fire actually refined. (Zechariah 13:8-9) After your Har-Magedon, there will be the liars, etc. outside the gate (Revelation 22:14-15). Note that tares are simply weeds which look like wheat, but produce no fruit. After Har-Magedon, the nations will keep the feast of Booths, or not have any rain (Zechariah 14:16-18). Not too much prosperity under those conditions. After Har-Magedon, the Word of God will reign with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15). And no one lives forever, even those who are in the first resurrection died at one point (Jeremiah 31:30). You have simply bought the lie of the serpent (Genesis 3:4) and his son, the false prophet Paul. As for those who come through the fire, they will die, but be thought accursed if they die before the age of 100 (Isaiah 65:19-) You are among those who dwell on the earth (Rev 13:14), but the leaders apparently meet the executioner first (Ezekiel 9:1-6).

As for the 2nd part, the humble will inherit the land. That would occur after the little ones come through the fire of Zechariah 13:8-9, and the stick of Judah and the stick of Israel, will be combined into one stick (Ezekiel 37:19), under one leader, My servant David, and they shall live on the land that I gave to Jacob, and I will make a covenant of peace with them.
As an apparent leader of one group of tares, I think you are being overly optimistic about your ultimate fate.

Isaiah 65:19"I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of weeping and the sound of crying. 20"No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed. 21"They will build houses and inhabit them; They will also plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

[brianbbs67]

I am refering to ephesians 6, particularly 6:13 and the surrounding verses. Which call it an evil day.

I don't think that Ephesians 6:13 is referring to Armageddon (when all wicked people are destroyed). It is referring to a day on which Satan attacks a particular individual, and that individual must have on the "complete suit of armor from God" so that this person can withstand Satan's attack. It is something we all must be prepared for on a daily basis.

I agree with that. But, I think it applies in general to all tribulation from the Lord. I remember Exodus 32:14. "And God repented from the evil which He thought to do unto His people." So, would that not make Armagedan an evil day?

The tribulation spoken of in Ephesians 6 does not come from God. It is from Satan. We can withstand tribulation by "putting on the armor of God." How can you say that the tribulation comes FROM God?

When the Scripture says that God "repented from the evil" the word "evil" must be examined. Some Bible versions use words akin to "inconvenience" or "discomfort" that would be experienced by the people. The people who acted wickedly would experience any action by God to protect the innocent ones as unpleasant and downright terrible and appalling. This is what is meant by God doing "evil." But it's not "evil" to the innocent people that God wants to protect and save out of the wicked people's hands.

All things come from God.

I have to examine what Evil is??? I guess that would depend on what my meaning of the word is, is.

I can give you a general definition of it. Contrary to God. What He would prefer not to do, but will, if necessary, like any good parent.

Does He want to destroy people He created on a world He set in motion? No.

Will He? Absolutely. The sickness, evil, can not be allowed to spread.

[onewithhim]

I am refering to ephesians 6, particularly 6:13 and the surrounding verses. Which call it an evil day.

I don't think that Ephesians 6:13 is referring to Armageddon (when all wicked people are destroyed). It is referring to a day on which Satan attacks a particular individual, and that individual must have on the "complete suit of armor from God" so that this person can withstand Satan's attack. It is something we all must be prepared for on a daily basis.

I agree with that. But, I think it applies in general to all tribulation from the Lord. I remember Exodus 32:14. "And God repented from the evil which He thought to do unto His people." So, would that not make Armagedan an evil day?

The tribulation spoken of in Ephesians 6 does not come from God. It is from Satan. We can withstand tribulation by "putting on the armor of God." How can you say that the tribulation comes FROM God?

When the Scripture says that God "repented from the evil" the word "evil" must be examined. Some Bible versions use words akin to "inconvenience" or "discomfort" that would be experienced by the people. The people who acted wickedly would experience any action by God to protect the innocent ones as unpleasant and downright terrible and appalling. This is what is meant by God doing "evil." But it's not "evil" to the innocent people that God wants to protect and save out of the wicked people's hands.

All things come from God.

I have to examine what Evil is??? I guess that would depend on what my meaning of the word is, is.

I can give you a general definition of it. Contrary to God. What He would prefer not to do, but will, if necessary, like any good parent.

Does He want to destroy people He created on a world He set in motion? No.

Will He? Absolutely. The sickness, evil, can not be allowed to spread.

It DOES depend on what "evil" means in certain cases. To wicked men any of God's judgements would seem "evil."

Your own definition goes along with what I'm saying. "Evil" is contrary to God, therefore another word for that might be used, as some versions have done. "Dire actions" might be helpful. That is the meaning. Actions that God must take to rectify a wicked situation, caused by wicked men.

[Wootah]

Let us be perfectly clear. You as a JW count yourself among the righteous, such as being the elect and the meek, and you will have a moment of joy. Wrong!! The great tribulation will have to be cut short for the elect less no person would be saved (Matthew 24:22). And as the JWs are also daughters of Babylon, they also receive the plagues of the daughter of Babylon (Revelation 18:4). As followers of the false prophet Pauls gospel of grace/cross, they also have the mark of the beast, and will have to drink the wine of the wrath of God. No, I think your covenant with death (Isaiah 28:18) will not protect you from death or the coming refining fire. You will either come out of the fire refined or you will not come out at all (Zechariah 13:8-9). Keep in mind that Paul was just one of the two horns like a lamb, the other was Peter. The other "daughters of Babylon" have just as much to worry about. That would include the pope (Isaiah 22:25).

As with your traditional slaughter house, the goats lead the sheep to the slaughter. The leaders/elders will be the first to meet the executioners of (Ezekiel 9:1-6) With the JWs, the leaders are those who lead the sheep.

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[dio9]

Actually our earth is a paradise . It seems the curse we live under is we have to learn how to live in it. it hasn't come naturally.

[onewithhim]

Actually our earth is a paradise . It seems the curse we live under is we have to learn how to live in it. it hasn't come naturally.

Yes, I agree....our earth is a paradise in many places. It is a beautiful place, and if men would take care of it, as they were appointed to in the beginning, it would be like a paradise all over the entire planet. It started being neglected after Adam chose to turn his back on God and call his own shots. He would get no more instructions from Jehovah. Adam made it clear that he didn't want God telling him what to do. (That was the whole purpose behind the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad"....if they left it alone that meant they loved and respected Jehovah and would follow His rules. If they took the fruit, that meant that they wanted to decide for themselves what is good and bad.)

After Armageddon, we will have Paradise once again under the rulership of Jesus Christ. The earth will be beautiful everywhere.

[Tcg]

All things come from God.

Will He? Absolutely. The sickness, evil, can not be allowed to spread.

Then he needs to commit suicide to stop the spread of the sickness and evil he created. As long as he refrains from doing so, he is refusing to address the source of the problem. He is that source and it would evil to not destroy it.

[onewithhim]

All things come from God.

Will He? Absolutely. The sickness, evil, can not be allowed to spread.

Then he needs to commit suicide to stop the spread of the sickness and evil he created. As long as he refrains from doing so, he is refusing to address the source of the problem. He is that source and it would evil to not destroy it.

Did you bother to read my posts #882 and #885? Would you comment on those? God created no evil as you are thinking of it. I look forward to your thoughts on my posts.

[Tcg]

Did you bother to read my posts #882 and #885? Would you comment on those? God created no evil as you are thinking of it. I look forward to your thoughts on my posts.

If you'll notice, I was responding to brianbbs67 post. If you think he is wrong, you need to take that up with him.

[onewithhim]

Did you bother to read my posts #882 and #885? Would you comment on those? God created no evil as you are thinking of it. I look forward to your thoughts on my posts.

If you'll notice, I was responding to brianbbs67 post. If you think he is wrong, you need to take that up with him.

This is a forum for discussion, and several can take part. I think you might be wrong in your assessment of God, because you said, didn't you?, that he should commit suicide, or am I wrong? For discussion's sake, I'm asking you to comment on my posts #882 and #885.