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Replying to post 15 by bjs]
Let us assume that our understanding of physics is more or less close to correct and that these aliens are not omnipotent.
Rather - lets assume that they know far more than we do. But yes, lets also agree that they are not know all's.
If the aliens are omnipotent then they are God. If the aliens are omnipotent then, as 1213 may have been hinting at, then we are just referring to God and call Him an ET. A rose by any other name and all that rot. Good so far?
This is simply one particular idea that say's "in order to be a GOD, one has to be omnipotent."
Clearly the biblical stories paint a different picture, even given that this has morphed - particularly through the Christian religion - into a being who 'knows everything'.
We need to at least agree that from biblical accounts, the GOD in question does not 'know everything' and certainly Christian theologies attempts at explaining the inconsistencies fall short of the mark.
If so, then it is highly improbably that Jesus was an alien from another planet because:
1. The closest planet outside our solar system is two light years away. Only partials with zero mass can travel at light speed, and traveling faster than that is theoretically impossible. Assuming these aliens have some mass then they must be traveling considerably slower than light speed. Given the limitations of propulsion and distance between stars, it is highly improbable that any race, no matter how advanced, will ever travel between the stars.
Compare this idea with traveling to the moon. Once it was understood what the moon is " that is, a large rock orbiting the earth " then it was understood that travel to the moon was theoretically plausible. People did not know how such a task could be performed or even what obstacles needed to be overcome, but it that task was at least possible. In contrast, once it was understood what stars are then it was quickly understood that travel to others stars is not theoretically plausible. We do understand what obstacles there are and, assuming our current science is close to correct, those obstacles cannot be overcome.
Not improbable at all. The idea is not to send biological critters into deep space, for precisely the reasons you point out. This does not mean that it can't be done in other ways.
For example, a biological species can design AI ships and send them in many directions, and even place biological 'seed' on those ships. Those ships can bring biological life forms into existence in laboratory settings, as and when required.
Also, there is no particular hurry. There is no necessity to go hurtling through the Galaxy at a tremendous rate of knots.
Slowly and surely is the better option. After all there is plenty of time in which to do things.
The ships themselves could contain bots which can also be useful for mining in order to increase the ships size. Many things can be accomplished in the journey from 'A' to 'B'. Sensibly, there is no requirement to hurry.
2. If somehow an alien could arrive on earth, it would have evolved in a completely different way that humans did...
Not likely. As said, a biological being cannot traverse space and survive the journey. However and AI ship can. And once within the general proximity to its target planet, the AI ship can raise biological beings from the seed it carries and can also be the very being which parents/teaches those beings everything they need to know re the mission etc.
It is highly improbably that this alien would look remotely human or have any knowledge of human language or interaction that would allow it to pass in human society.
There is no saying that should it be the case, or that some biological form cannot be created which would assist in overcoming these minor problems. Language itself may well be mathematically based anyway, so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that designing the appropriate biological instrument would be easy enough to accomplish in order to overcome these types of perceived barriers, should they exist as you assert.
Unless we think of that alien as omnipotent (i.e. the alien is literally God), it is improbable that it would have any technology or technique to blend into human society.
Well hopefully you might be able to see now that one doesn't have to be omnipotent in order to accomplish ways around such problems.
3. It is highly improbably that this alien would travel all this distance, blend into human form and society, all to create a false religion. The entire exercise seems pointless. It would mean that this alien not only choose to interact with people while intentionally lying to them, but also specifically set up a new religion knowing that this religion was false. At this point we pass being improbable and the idea become outright ludicrous.
Here we reach a point where you are conflating an idea with another idea without taking known human propensity to bend and twist things to suit a political agenda. This is of course - not entirely your fault as those representing Abrahamic religions are often the first that one entrusts to be truthfully representing said religions.
However, it can be pointed out in many places in the biblical writ, where the GOD idea of the bible is seriously against being misrepresented whilst at the same time resigned to the fact that humans will continue to do this.
Indeed, it can be observed that a good part of Yeshua's teachings had to do with this very thing.
Things start off one way and morph into completely different and often contradictory ways as conflation of cultures and religions, politics and agendas are added to the mix.
One can indeed read the bible in such a manner as to understand that the GOD in question was never trying to 'create a false religion' but rather, was trying to show humans where their ideas of GODs had gone way off track - attempted to correct the problem, and steer humans towards a more convivial idea of GOD which promoted the survival and prosperity of the human species to a point where they had the best chances of actually making it rather than destroying themselves.
In relation to ET agenda, this would most certainly involve getting humans up to speed in order that we as a species would come to a point of understanding our true circumstances and develop the technology which would enable us to fit into and support that agenda, which - in a nut shell - is to create AI mother-ships, place the seed of our planet into those ships and send them out into the Galaxy at an orderly pace. Rinse and repeat.
The challenge for the ET in relation to that agenda has been to create paths around the obstacles which certain types of human beings have purposefully placed in the way.
The pattern is there in the evidence. Yeshua planted a seed - and he also knew that there would be ferocious opposition to that from the sector of human society which saw the greatest threat to their positions therein and these would develop intricate ways in which to counter that agenda, including formulation of a false religion. So no - it was not the ET who create the false religions, but the humans who resist the changes necessary to have happen in order for the ET agenda to take precedence.
Nevertheless, whilst there was a concerted effort to infiltrate and falsify this new thing Yeshua planted into the minds of humans, at the same time the ET were also infiltrating the very thing which was creating the falseness, because with their clearer foresight and higher ground position, they understood the falseness to being useful as part of the solution rather than simply just a problem.
The main thing in all of this is that the ET had to keep hidden and it had to look - by and large - solely a
Human effort - because this is the nature of human consciousness. It has to be seen to be the one doing the job, all by itself, without any help thank you very much. So the help is largely done behinds the scenes.
But not just for that reason. The ET forms (when they aren't wearing costumes) creates horror in humans. So much so that humans could drop dead at the sight of them... and in that, human myths regarding demons etc are bought to the fore and this simply complicates things.
But above all, the ET are not interested in playing the role of GOD to the extent which humans demand. They are not 'skydaddies' intent on giving into the demands of spoilt children who think they should be rewarded with easy lives and everything handed to them on a silver platter. That is simply not how things work in the real universe.
So, while there is plenty of wiggle room allowed for human development, it is not to the point where the ET agenda could be seriously compromised.
Thus we fight our wars, muck with our politics and cultures and religious beliefs, and distracting ourselves in the human drama and do all this with or without any 'GOD' idea propelling us forward in supporting these things. We have already reached the point where the ET agenda has been fulfilled sufficiently that we are more likely to be a species who supports and contributed to that agenda rather than completely snuff ourselves out of existence, so nothing of any importance is lost in the overall time and effort involved.
Of course one can argue that we are on the very brink of self annihilation as a species, what with global warming, rampant consumerism, weapons of mass destruction etc et al...and that would be a fair enough argument, but while this
might be the fate of
most of us (and who can we the majority truly blame for that but ourselves yes?) there will be a remnant of humanity who have the technological capabilities to survive such a fate and use that opportunity to continue with the agenda durng such crisis as well as once the smoke clears.
On that note, perhaps many Christians might argue "Noooooooo!!!!" because they are believing that Jesus will return and save us all from such evil, even that we all partook of making it so, because well - they believe that they deserve to be saved from that and that we were forced into supporting such a destructive pathway because 'the atheist antichrist' but that may be part of the false religion giving people hope in a
'supernatural' intervention in order to pacify them into submitting to the human masters, and well - that will just have to be one of the main lessons we all learn from it all. Life goes on, even after death.
