In that day the Lord will use a razor hired from beyond the River the king of Assyriato shave your head and the hair of your legs, and to take off your beards also. (Isaiah 7:20)
DOES GOD HURT HIMSELF?
Woe is me for my hurt! my wound is grievous: but I said, Truly this [is] a grief, and I must bear it. (Jeremiah 10:19)
DOES GOD HAVE NOSTRILS?
There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. (2 Samuels 22:9)
DOES GOD HAVE FEET?
The LORD is slow to anger and great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet. (Nahum 1:3)
GOD IS A MURDERER?
And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that [was] in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. (Exodus 12:29)
GOD SUPPORTS ADULERTY FOR THIS PROPHET?
The LORD said to me, "Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another and is an adulteress. Love her as the LORD loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes." (Hosea 3:1)
DOES GOD NEED TO REST?!
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. (Exodus 31:17)
DOES GOD SLEEP AND WAKE UP?!
Awake, why do you sleep, O Lord? (Psalms 4:23)
DOES GOD FORGET?!
How long O Lord? will you forget me forever. (Psalms 13:1)
The Bible is not the "Word of God"; it contains sex literature and violence to the utmost extremes. Yet the Holy Quran is absolutely pure and does not contain any dirty stories. That's normal because the Quran is the word of God and the bible is the word of historians, bishops, random people who didn't like some verses (lol), (someone else wants his name in this list?), etc...
No read the Quran in true translation, you won't find 1 mistake.
Easyrider wrote:During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who
explained each of their belief systems.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.
The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with
a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and
answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and
clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
infidels of the world.
And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they
are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me
the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation,
he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers
of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your
faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and
command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand
in the cookie jar.
He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
what bull. do you actually believe that correctional authorities would allow a Jihadi Imam to preach to prisonoers??
and besides, if killling non muslims in the name of God really was an Islamic religious duty, I doubt it would still be around today, let alone in non arab nations
I doubt the story too. It sounds like the myths of the lowly believer that challenges the scholarly non-believer and the non-believer goes and studies and become a believer. Most of those stories are about people that already have a commitment and it becomes reinforced with rationalizations and missing information.
The guy that wrote "who moved the stone" already revered Jesus. Greenleaf was a graduate of a religious college. Just myths appealing to sentiment.
That imam doesn't have much knowledge about islam then.
Islam only allows violence as a use of defence and not just to kill a non-muslim you pass by. It's even a big sin to kill a person for such a reason.
Such imams are dangerous, especially when tehy're giving a lecture to non-muslims who want to learn a bit about islam.
Our religion teaches us to behave in such a peaceful and discipline way so that other people would like it so hard that they even want to become a muslim themselves.
Abdullah wrote:That imam doesn't have much knowledge about islam then.
Islam only allows violence as a use of defence and not just to kill a non-muslim you pass by. It's even a big sin to kill a person for such a reason.
Such imams are dangerous, especially when tehy're giving a lecture to non-muslims who want to learn a bit about islam.
Our religion teaches us to behave in such a peaceful and discipline way so that other people would like it so hard that they even want to become a muslim themselves.
Hint.
That Iman that easyrider talked about doesn't exist. It is a strawman puppet that was made so that Islam could be slapped down. No truth in it at all.
Abdullah wrote:That imam doesn't have much knowledge about islam then.
Islam only allows violence as a use of defence and not just to kill a non-muslim you pass by. It's even a big sin to kill a person for such a reason.
Such imams are dangerous, especially when tehy're giving a lecture to non-muslims who want to learn a bit about islam.
Our religion teaches us to behave in such a peaceful and discipline way so that other people would like it so hard that they even want to become a muslim themselves.
Hint.
That Iman that easyrider talked about doesn't exist. It is a strawman puppet that was made so that Islam could be slapped down. No truth in it at all.
That is my guess Goat.
If you notice Christians can't find any mistakes in the bible either even when they are pointed out.
As soon as power was taken by Christians they started killing unbelievers too. Heretics, witches, Cathars, anabaptists, Gnostics and Muslims and Jews. Yet today they claim the NT is different. It is a good thing they are held in check. I can imagine if Muslims where held in check you would not hear the constant complaints from Christians even as the bomb the hell out of them calling their war freedom spreading much as the OT Cyrus and others claimed.
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship will become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51
The Lord Jesus Christ teaches:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy...but I say love your enemies..."Matthew 5:43-44
The Koran teaches
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. Sura 9:73
Christ through Paul teaches:
1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1 Timothy 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
The Koran teaches:
Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His apostle have forbidden and do not embrace the true faith until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. Sura 9:29
Jesus taught His disciples:
Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Matthew 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
The Koran teaches:
Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Sura 48:29
The bible teaches:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
The Hadith(Muslim oral tradition) states:
"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
Abdullah wrote:A Zion Christian Church leader has been charged with rape for apparently taking a 12-year-old church member as his second wife when he could no longer have sex with his pregnant wife.
How come this guy wasnt punished in accordance with biblical Law? The Bible says:
"And the man that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)
Does any Christian on this earth follow the rules of the bible or do they just follow their own rules?
Ever read Romans chapter 13?
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
So, what have you learned, Abdullah? You should be learning that (1) There is also a New Testament, and (2) That the governing authorities in the area where this guy committed his crime should be the ones to prosecute. If they don't, then I'd like to know the reason why not.
Concerning the 9/11 Muslim mass murderers, what would you suggest Islam should have done with them were they able to live and return to an Islamic country? And why did so many Muslims celebrate (jumping up and down and cheering, as we saw on national TV) the murder of some 3,000 innocents? Seems like there's something very wrong being taught in fundamentalist Islamic nations.
Finally, is it your opinion that Ishmael (instead of Isaac) was the son Abraham was going to sacrifice (note Genesis 22 in the Bible)?
Abdullah wrote:I have a little question for our fellow Christian people;
Since Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus is the son of God.
And Christians have the bible, which they normally should accept. But why are there a contradicitions in the bible about Jesus (pbuh)?
The easiest example that comes up within me is;
Matthew Chapter 1 verse 1-2
1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham.
the answer is very simple. christianity is a bunch of contradictions.
2 Abraham begot Isaac, and Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brethren.
And it goes further, but just the first verse is enough.
Now Jesus, son of David?
Is there a question or supposed contradiction somewhere, or do people just not understand how 1st century (and earlier) Jews spoke concerning their forefathers? For instance, a first century Jew would say, "Our father Abraham." Does he mean Abraham is his immediate father? No. Forefather, yes? Ever study the Hebrew word for "father" in the OT? If you had you would know it can also include distant forefathers, so there is a manner of speech that has to be considered.
So, where's the beef with this lame argument about "Jesus, son of David"?
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship will become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51
The Lord Jesus Christ teaches:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy...but I say love your enemies..."Matthew 5:43-44
The Koran teaches
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. Sura 9:73
Christ through Paul teaches:
1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1 Timothy 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
The Koran teaches:
Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His apostle have forbidden and do not embrace the true faith until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. Sura 9:29
Jesus taught His disciples:
Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Matthew 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
The Koran teaches:
Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Sura 48:29
The bible teaches:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
The Hadith(Muslim oral tradition) states:
"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
(craon.net)
i'm amazed the iman didn't lie like most of the responses u've been getting. lol
