Accountability

[imhereforyou]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 9 by Wootah]

It's much more than that. It's a God who isn't responsible for good even though it exists. A God who allows good to exist only because it aids God's ultimate goal to accomplish evil.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

Can we hold God accountable?

I hold all accountable, who accountable me.

If I try to drown some of y'all in a world-wide flood, I expect me a whole bunch of some of y'all to try to drown me right back.

That's the beauty of the "eye for an eye" deal there.


God: So I'm gonna try to drown me all y'all 'cept my best friends forever.

Me: Well dangitall, ya done drowned you some of my own best friends forever. Is the water of a temperature sufficient to meet it your exacting standards?

[imhereforyou]

From the OP:

Can we hold God accountable?

I hold all accountable, who accountable me.

If I try to drown some of y'all in a world-wide flood, I expect me a whole bunch of some of y'all to try to drown me right back.

That's the beauty of the "eye for an eye" deal there.


God: So I'm gonna try to drown me all y'all 'cept my best friends forever.

Me: Well dangitall, ya done drowned you some of my own best friends forever. Is the water of a temperature sufficient to meet it your exacting standards?

How are we to hold God accountable? What are we to do?

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 4 by liamconnor]

Should we hold God accountable for creating creatures with free will?

Does free will matter here?

Would you rather not exist at all; or would you rather exist as you are, with all your history, feelings, joys, pains...writing whatever posts you have been on this site?

We don't have knowledge of 'not existing at all' so no one can answer that question logically. Though I suspect it's more of a 'feeling' question. I try to be as logical as possible.

[imhereforyou]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

It would seem that holding God accountable is a non starter. Believers Give God a free pass to do anything He chooses. And for non believers, blaming God for anything would be like blaming Santa for not actually showing up on Christmas morning.

Very true.
That said, do you think it healthy for an individual to blame God for anything?

[imhereforyou]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad ....

Bad or evil is really nothing, it is like emptiness, or darkness, lack of light or goodness. Darkness dont need to be created, because it is what is left, when light is off, nothing really. People chose to turn the light of and got darkness and therefore are without light. God is accountable of giving freedom. I think freedom is good. If people use it for rejecting God, it is their own fault if they get darkness.

Seems it's a matter of POV. I see God (the popular one in the bible) as giving freedom for a price, which isn't a gift to me - especially from a being that can do anything it wants. If you don't accept his "gift" of "freedom" you suffer eternally in Hell (as popular standards go).

I can say to someone 'hold this hot pot or I'll kill you then thank me for being allowed to hold that pot and praise me. If you don't hold this hot pot, then stinks to be you - you get what you deserve". That's not a gift I want personally. And I'd like to think it's not a gift anyone wants. But it's all they're offered in this belief system so they take it.
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