When is Passover?

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When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

The traditions of the Jewish Pharisees, and the followers of the "Christian" Pharisee of Pharisees, are not the same as the Word of God.(Numbers 28:16-17) & (Lev 23:5-6). & John 20:31. A "high day" "Sabbath", is not the same as a Sabbath. The 14th of day of the first month was not a high holy day. It was a day when you could put people on the cross, break "their legs" and take the leaven out of the house. The 14th of Nissan, at the time of the crucifixion, was on a Wednesday, the high holy Sabbath, the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, the 15th of Nissan, was on a Thursday, and 3 days and 3 nights later, on the evening of the regular Sabbath, Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty on the dawn of the 1st day of the week, which starts at sundown of the previous day. Between the harlot Judah (Rev 17:16), and the "daughters of Babylon" (Zech 2:7), the "Christian church", the world seems to be going in circles, and truth seems to remain at bay.

King James Bible John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Numbers 28: 16Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORDS Passover. 17 On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. 18On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 38 by bluethread]

Thats what I have come to understand also. The last supper was today, IE, the last supper was Wednesday night.(after sunset) Is this what you are saying?

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The "evening of the 31st", the day of the full moon, the 14th, starts after sunset on the 13th of the 1st month. The last supper was after sundown of the 30th of March, the day before the full moon, the 31st of March, the 14th of the 1st month. The last supper preceded the crucifixion, it didn't follow it. The 14th of month is the "LORD's Passover. It requires a meal of unleavened bread.


New American Standard Bible Exodus 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.


That entails 8 days of eating unleavened bread. The Passover and the 7 days of unleavened bread.

The full moon is not the consideration. It is just a coincidence. The full moon is not exactly 14 days after Rosh Chodesh (new renewal or blessing). It is 14.76 days. So, the full moon can often occur on the 15th rather than the 14th. Meteorologically, Rosh Chodesh (Nisan 1) was on Mar. 17, 4:14 PM Israel time, 6:14 AM PDT. That makes Nisan 14 March 30th.

As I stated in post #27, Exodus 12:18 literally says, the 14th day at chodesh erev(renewed or blessed evening) and the 21st day at chodesh erev erev(renewed or blessed evening of evenings). This has been understood not as "the evening of" but "between the evenings". Now, one could include preparation/sacrifice day, with Seder at the end of that day. However, this would mean that one would start eating matzah the evening before the sacrifice and not at the Seder following the sacrifice. It would also mean that either the 21st is not part of the Feast of First Fruit, or we are talking about Pesach AND the Feast of First Fruit as seperate. In the latter case, hametz(leaven) would only need to be verified as removed sometime on the 14th and eaten for the first time during the Seder. However, how could the 14th be a day of rest, of one is searching for hametz? That doesn't even take into account the fact that those who removed Yeshua's body could not have observed, if the Seder had to be performed before sundown? They would have been unclean until evening after performing a mikvah. Therefore, it appears to me that the 14th(3/30) is the preparation/sacrifice day and, as evening approaches, is Adonai's Pesach, a Shabbat Chedosh, leading into the feast of First Fruit, which lasts for seven days through the 21st(4/6), as evening approaches. I don't see how anything else can work.

I must say, you do not make much sense. Of course the last supper happened the evening before the crucifixion, the sacrifice of the lamb. And the lamb was examined up until it was sacrificed. The last supper happened at the beginning of the 14th, just after sunset of the 13th of the month. And between the 14th and the 21st, there are 8 unleavened meals, starting with the 14th, and the 15th, right after sunset of the 14th, right after the burial, that was just before sunset. And the full moon for Israel in 2018 is the 31st of March. https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases ... /jerusalem

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 38 by bluethread]

Thats what I have come to understand also. The last supper was today ...

This is incorrect.

New ("invisible") Moon Mch 17
Waxing Cresent Moon (0.1% to 49.9% ) Mch 18 = Nisan 1
13 days after Nisan 1 = Nisan 14
https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases ... /jerusalem

Why are there a differences in the Calculation of Nisan 14?

The modern Jewish calendar determines the beginning of their month of Nisan by the astronomical new moon*. Jehovahs witnesses base their calculations on the Crescent new moon as seen over Jerusalem, which is the way the first of Nisan was determined in Biblical times; this is usually eighteen or more hours later. For this reason often there has been a difference of a day or two between the Memorial date of Jehovahs witnesses and the Nisan 14 date according to the modern Jewish calendar.

* The Astronomical new moon is when the moon passes between the earth and the sun. At this moment the moon is not visible. The "Crescent new moon" is when the first slither of moon is visible.
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/crescentmoon.html

It seems Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people on planet earth this year
that will be commemorating Jesus' death on the night Jesus did 2000 years ago.




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When did the Jewish calander depart from the biblical tradition?
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This year (2018) the memorial of Christ's death should be held on on 31st March after sundown

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[JehovahsWitness]

And the full moon for Israel in 2018 is the 31st of March. https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases ... /jerusalem

On this I have to agree; that said what is significant isn't the "full moon" but that the new cresent moon determines the first of Nisan. 13 days after that we come to what corresponds this year to the 31st.

This is when we JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES commemorate the death of Christ.

[TripleZ]

When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.

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That is a little misleading, as you are using the Roman calendar, which suggests actually March 31st after sundown.

Yes Nisan 14th this year corresponds to 31st March. That will be Saturday night.

We do indeed use unleaven bread as Christ did.

I believe that the Jewish Day ends and starts on/at 5 PM so on Friday at 5 pm a day ends and a new day begins...Yeshua was dead for 3 days.
Thew WT and JW are of course anti Messianic, they believe only in His Death and not in His Resurrection and thus they will have and do not have Salvation.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 38 by bluethread]

Thats what I have come to understand also. The last supper was today, IE, the last supper was Wednesday night.(after sunset) Is this what you are saying?

No, I believe that, in the year of Yeshua's death, He performed the Seder early from some time before sunset on the fourth day of the week(Wednesday) through the sunset hour and into the erev of the fifth day(Wednesday night). He was then killed and hastily laid in the tomb in time for the bearers to perform a mikvah before sunset of the fifth day(Thursday). He was in the tomb all of the fifth and sixth day and rise shortly before sunset on the weekly Shabbat. Thus, HaAdonai Shabbat(the Lord of the Sabbath) was three days and three nights in the tomb. He was then discovered by the women sometime on the first day of the week. The Hebrew dates would be Seder, Nisan 13 into 14, Trial, death and burial, Nisan 14, In the tomb, Nisan 15-17, Resurrection, Chodesh erev(renewed evening)17, Discovery Nisan 18.

[JehovahsWitness]

JW ... believe only in His Death and not in His Resurrection .

I don't know where you got this idea, I assure you JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe Jesus died and we also believe he was resurected back to life three days later.

You can find our official beliefs on our website if you wish to check our beliefs.

JW

source www.jw.org

[TripleZ]

When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.

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Num 28:16 " 'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, is Adonai's Pesach.
so now we need to know when the first month or Jewish New year is, right ?

[bluethread]

And the full moon for Israel in 2018 is the 31st of March. https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases ... /jerusalem

On this I have to agree; that said what is significant isn't the "full moon" but that the new cresent moon determines the first of Nisan. 13 days after that we come to what corresponds this year to the 31st.

This is when we JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES commemorate the death of Christ.

It just struck me. Are you arguing that Yeshua performed the Seder on the day designated by the Temple, which you believe was not the right day, and then was executed on the next day, which you believe is the right day? On second thought, that would not work, because that would mean that the execution would have happened on the first day of the feast, according to the timetable of the Temple.

[JehovahsWitness]

And the full moon for Israel in 2018 is the 31st of March. https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases ... /jerusalem

On this I have to agree; that said what is significant isn't the "full moon" but that the new cresent moon determines the first of Nisan. 13 days after that we come to what corresponds this year to the 31st.

This is when we JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES commemorate the death of Christ.

It just struck me. Are you arguing that Yeshua performed the Seder on the day designated by the Temple, which you believe was not the right day, and then was executed on the next day, which you believe is the right day?

Bluethread,

I am not participating in the discussion on the correct interpretation of "between the two evenings" or which day of the week Jesus died. I am simply pointing out that you and others are incorrect if you believe the modern day Jewish calander accurately reflects that of Jesus and first century Jews used. Several posters have accused JWs of "getting the day wrong" (ie thinking Nisan 14 is on the 31st rather than on the 30th) and I am pointing out that only Jehovah's Witnesses seem to know that the modern day Jewish calander doesn't follow the biblical tradition. It's a very simply point: Nisan 14 according to bible tradition falls this year on 31st March.

The OP is WHEN IS PASSOVER

I am simply answering the question: Passover is on Nisan 14 which is not today but tomorrow.


JW


Did you read my post HERE?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 296#911296