Jesus divinity

Exploring the details of Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

User avatar
Wootah
Savant
Posts: 9489
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:16 am
Has thanked: 228 times
Been thanked: 118 times

Jesus divinity

Post #1

Post by Wootah »

When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

Member Notes: viewtopic.php?t=33826

"Why is everyone so quick to reason God might be petty. Now that is creating God in our own image :)."

polonius
Prodigy
Posts: 3904
Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:03 pm
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Jesus divinity

Post #21

Post by polonius »

JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Wootah]

Tim is right, while Jesus was on earth, he was completely 100% human. No "demi-god" (that is not a biblical notion), human only.

JW

That pretty well eliminates a claim of a Trinity, doesn't it?

User avatar
ttruscott
Site Supporter
Posts: 11064
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:09 pm
Location: West Coast of Canada
Been thanked: 3 times

Post #22

Post by ttruscott »

PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

User avatar
JehovahsWitness
Savant
Posts: 22953
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am
Has thanked: 907 times
Been thanked: 1339 times
Contact:

Re: Jesus divinity

Post #23

Post by JehovahsWitness »

polonius.advice wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Wootah]

Tim is right, while Jesus was on earth, he was completely 100% human. No "demi-god" (that is not a biblical notion), human only.

JW

That pretty well eliminates a claim of a Trinity, doesn't it?

Yes. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Trinitarian.


JW
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

Overcomer
Guru
Posts: 1330
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:44 am
Location: Canada
Has thanked: 32 times
Been thanked: 66 times

fully God and fully man

Post #24

Post by Overcomer »


brianbbs67
Guru
Posts: 1871
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:07 am
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 2 times

Post #25

Post by brianbbs67 »

Tcg wrote: [Replying to post 18 by brianbbs67]

If your claim is true, then the birth of Jesus would have to be viewed as evil. It would be the same kind of evil that led to the flood. God would have needed to destroy almost all life again to rid the world of the evil spirit/human hybrid. Are you sure that's the argument you want to make?
Sorry to derail this thread. Just pointing out that creature of Heaven have made human babies in the past. So, the Holy Spirit making one is very logical.

To the others replying to me, The page I posted is from Genesis(JPS)(Tanakh).

These divine beings are not all lumped together as evil. Some were, obviously, or at least their offspring were. That leaves the rest as good.

User avatar
Tcg
Savant
Posts: 8667
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
Location: Third Stone
Has thanked: 2257 times
Been thanked: 2370 times

Post #26

Post by Tcg »

brianbbs67 wrote:
Just pointing out that creature of Heaven have made human babies in the past. So, the Holy Spirit making one is very logical.
This is a very odd response. I didn't address the logic of this claim, but rather that if God flooded the world because of some kind of heavenly creature/human hybrids, why was he not bothered by Jesus if he was a heavenly creature/human hybrid?

liamconnor
Prodigy
Posts: 3170
Joined: Sun May 31, 2015 1:18 pm

Re: Jesus divinity

Post #27

Post by liamconnor »

Wootah wrote: When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?
Are the physical origins of Jesus important for discussing his Nature?

When Jesus defecated (which he most certainly did) was his feces demi-divine or half and half?

The question assumes we have a scientific understanding of the categories God and Man. We don't.

polonius
Prodigy
Posts: 3904
Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:03 pm
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Jesus divinity

Post #28

Post by polonius »

liamconnor wrote:
Wootah wrote: When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?
Are the physical origins of Jesus important for discussing his Nature?

RESPONSE:

Only if we are going to claim that Jesus is divine. ;)

TripleZ
Banned
Banned
Posts: 220
Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:07 am

Post #29

Post by TripleZ »

2timothy316 wrote: Well, how many spirit creatures have been born of a human couple? Answer: none. Jesus was flesh and blood.

Hebrews 2:7 "You made him a little lower than angels;"
,, don't forget the full passage;


Heb 2:7 You made him a little lower than the angels, you crowned him with glory and honor,
Heb 2:8 you put everything in subjection under his feet." In subjecting everything to him, he left nothing unsubjected to him. However, at present, we don't see everything subjected to him — at least, not yet.

the numbering system is man made..

John D. Brey
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:00 pm

Re: Jesus divinity

Post #30

Post by John D. Brey »

[Replying to Wootah]
When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?
. . . Technically speaking, God didn't impregnate Mary. Jesus was a mammalian basal shoot growing out of the original root of humanity asexually (as is the case with all basal shoots). Technically, the Church is a genet growing from the same root as Jesus. Impregnation supposes sex. And sex is what got the original human thrown out of the garden in the first place. . . Jesus isn't a product of sex. So God didn't impregnate Mary.


John

Post Reply