Women and Authority

[PROSECUTOR]

As a new member I would like to participate in a discussion of whether the Bible authorizes women to be in positions of authority over men in any area of life. It is my strong conviction that women are forbidden to rule over men in the home, in religion, in the work place, in government,
in social settings or any area of life. This is based of God's creation and thus is not governed by culture or present day opinions. What I mean by this is that no matter where this discussion leads, it will always be forced to return to creation. We cannot ignore the facts: (1) Man was created before the woman. (2) Woman was created from man. (3) Man was not made for woman but the woman for the man. (4) Man is to rule over the woman not the other way around. Four rules that must be followed for this discussion to have any merit are these: (1) We must agree on a common standard. I believe that standard to be the Bible. (2) We must agree on basic rules of interpretation the chief one being common sense. (3) We must allow words to have their normal meanings unless the context demands different. (4) We must abide by rules of grammer, in this discussion, those rules that govern our English language, unless the context demands differently.
Prosecutor

[TripleZ]

Piper Plexed:

I did not ignore your comments but responded first to Icarus because (1) he accepted my challenge for this discussion and (2) your references to "the Lilith legend" have no place in this discussion. I stated in my original letter that I believe the Bible to be the standard of authority for this discussion. It says nothing of this "legend" therefore it has no merit for this discussion. I appreciate your interest and if you wish to participate please make your case from the Scriptures.

Thanks:

I believe that the Word of God in general says that the man is the one who will be held responsible for his family's spiritual position..
Good post..

[TripleZ]

Prosecutor,
I'll take the debate. Post your references not just assumed text. And I'll take the other side of this.

If you are so set in your view, why might I ask do you wish to be challenged?

lol, well where is YOUR Scripture then ?
You are making the " claims/suppositions " then ask us to prove things ? That is not debating..

[TripleZ]

As a new member I would like to participate in a discussion of whether the Bible authorizes women to be in positions of authority over men in any area of life. It is my strong conviction that women are forbidden to rule over men in the home, in religion, in the work place, in government,
in social settings or any area of life. This is based of God's creation and thus is not governed by culture or present day opinions. What I mean by this is that no matter where this discussion leads, it will always be forced to return to creation. We cannot ignore the facts: (1) Man was created before the woman. (2) Woman was created from man. (3) Man was not made for woman but the woman for the man. (4) Man is to rule over the woman not the other way around. Four rules that must be followed for this discussion to have any merit are these: (1) We must agree on a common standard. I believe that standard to be the Bible. (2) We must agree on basic rules of interpretation the chief one being common sense. (3) We must allow words to have their normal meanings unless the context demands different. (4) We must abide by rules of grammer, in this discussion, those rules that govern our English language, unless the context demands differently.
Prosecutor

The ONLY standard to speak of is The Word Of God..
The Kingdom of God is not a Democracy but a Sovereignty!
Gods Word can not be " interpreted "..

[TripleZ]

As a new member I would like to participate in a discussion of whether the Bible authorizes women to be in positions of authority over men in any area of life. It is my strong conviction that women are forbidden to rule over men in the home, in religion, in the work place, in government,
in social settings or any area of life. This is based of God's creation and thus is not governed by culture or present day opinions. What I mean by this is that no matter where this discussion leads, it will always be forced to return to creation. We cannot ignore the facts: (1) Man was created before the woman. (2) Woman was created from man. (3) Man was not made for woman but the woman for the man. (4) Man is to rule over the woman not the other way around. Four rules that must be followed for this discussion to have any merit are these: (1) We must agree on a common standard. I believe that standard to be the Bible. (2) We must agree on basic rules of interpretation the chief one being common sense. (3) We must allow words to have their normal meanings unless the context demands different. (4) We must abide by rules of grammer, in this discussion, those rules that govern our English language, unless the context demands differently.
Prosecutor

1Ti 2:9 Likewise, the women, when they pray, should be dressed modestly and sensibly in respectable attire, not with elaborate hairstyles and gold jewelry, or pearls, or expensive clothes.
1Ti 2:10 Rather, they should adorn themselves with what is appropriate for women who claim to be worshipping God, namely, good deeds.
1Ti 2:11 Let a woman learn in peace, fully submitted;
1Ti 2:12 but I do not permit a woman to teach a man or exercise authority over him; rather, she is to remain at peace.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Havah.
1Ti 2:14 Also it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who, on being deceived, became involved in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Nevertheless, the woman will be delivered through childbearing, provided that she continues trusting, loving and living a holy life with modesty.

the reference to " submitted " ( above ), I am sure refers to submitting to the Word of God as Gods word directs us all and as inspired by the Church Leaders...

[imhereforyou]

As a new member I would like to participate in a discussion of whether the Bible authorizes women to be in positions of authority over men in any area of life. It is my strong conviction that women are forbidden to rule over men in the home, in religion, in the work place, in government,
in social settings or any area of life. This is based of God's creation and thus is not governed by culture or present day opinions. What I mean by this is that no matter where this discussion leads, it will always be forced to return to creation. We cannot ignore the facts: (1) Man was created before the woman. (2) Woman was created from man. (3) Man was not made for woman but the woman for the man. (4) Man is to rule over the woman not the other way around. Four rules that must be followed for this discussion to have any merit are these: (1) We must agree on a common standard. I believe that standard to be the Bible. (2) We must agree on basic rules of interpretation the chief one being common sense. (3) We must allow words to have their normal meanings unless the context demands different. (4) We must abide by rules of grammer, in this discussion, those rules that govern our English language, unless the context demands differently.
Prosecutor

First we must acknowledge the bible was written by men for men (mostly) in a society already dominated by men. So the slant is there (see what I did there? haha).
Anywho....I've found over my years to try not to say 'the bible says this or that' because it can be interpenetrated to many different ways by different cultures during different times in different languages.
Even today people use the bible to justify killing, snake handling, accumulation of riches, oppose specific marriages, etc.
We have to look at it through societal glasses in a sense and decide what makes sense for us at the time (if humanity survives for another 200 years it might be different then).
Personally, I find it hard to believe that any loving god would want anyone to have authority over another so long as their mental state is relatively equal. But that's because how I was raised and what makes sense to me.
Other may find the passages that say men should rule/have authority over women and run with it (my grandparents were an example of this). Their lives were miserable as a result.
To each their own.