Sermon on the mount
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Sermon on the mount
Post #1What was the point of this sermon?
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Re: Sermon on the mount
Post #2One of it's purposes is to announce that good news, that God is on the side of the poor, the downcast, the broken hearted. The sermon announces these things with the enumeration of the Beattitudes. These sentiments are also echoed in the beginning of the Gospel of Luke which has Jesus reading from the Isaiah scroll where Jesus announces that he has come to fulfill the jubilee, the year of God's favor.Wootah wrote: What was the point of this sermon?
Another is to contrast the way of faith and life, vs. the way of sin and death. The straight and narrow vs the broad path which leads to destruction.
Also, Jesus in this sermon teaches us how to pray.
And I'm sure there are other purposes for the Sermon.
Why, what does the Sermon on the Mount mean to you? To Evangelicals in general? I've noticed that the Evangelicals I've heard seldom draw from this sermon, but far more often from the letters of Paul and the Gospel of John.
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-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
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I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Sermon on the mount
Post #3[Replying to post 1 by Wootah]
To outline the principles that should govern Christian living.
That's what I think.
JW
To outline the principles that should govern Christian living.
That's what I think.
JW
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Re: Sermon on the mount
Post #5 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Sermon on the mount
Post #6What evidence can you provide that Jesus was preaching here to Christians and not to his fellow Jews?JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Wootah]
To outline the principles that should govern Christian living.
That's what I think.
JW
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Jesus was outlining the principles of Jewish living as he saw it, or Godly living?
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Sermon on the mount
Post #7Did I say he was preaching here [ie in the Sermon on the mount] to Christians and not to his fellow Jews?Elijah John wrote:What evidence can you provide that Jesus was preaching here to Christians and not to his fellow Jews?JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Wootah]
To outline the principles that should govern Christian living.
That's what I think.
JW
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Jesus was outlining the principles of Jewish living as he saw it, or Godly living?
No I don't think so because that would in my opinion imply that it wouldn't be applicable to Christians.
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Post #8
I agree that the Sermon on the Mount explains how we are to live in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is defined as a world in which everything is done according to the perfect will of God.
The question is -- when does this kingdom begin?
Jesus answered the question when he said that the kingdom was "in the midst of them" (Luke 20:21). In other words, Christ initiated it with his coming. However, the kingdom will not be fully implemented until Christ's second coming.
This is why theologians such as Gordon Fee refer to the kingdom as "already-but-not-yet". We can operate in the power of the Holy Spirit here and now. We can receive blessings of the kingdom here and now. We can live according to the kingdom rules outlined in the Sermon on the Mount here and now. But we cannot do any of those things fully yet. Some of this has to do with our own inabilities as Christians to be perfect. Some of it has to do with the fact that there are people who reject God and his ways and, therefore, stand in the way of the implementation of the kingdom. At Christ's return, all will be set right, and the kingdom will be complete at last.
Here is an article that explains it more fully:
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/is ... -or-future
The question is -- when does this kingdom begin?
Jesus answered the question when he said that the kingdom was "in the midst of them" (Luke 20:21). In other words, Christ initiated it with his coming. However, the kingdom will not be fully implemented until Christ's second coming.
This is why theologians such as Gordon Fee refer to the kingdom as "already-but-not-yet". We can operate in the power of the Holy Spirit here and now. We can receive blessings of the kingdom here and now. We can live according to the kingdom rules outlined in the Sermon on the Mount here and now. But we cannot do any of those things fully yet. Some of this has to do with our own inabilities as Christians to be perfect. Some of it has to do with the fact that there are people who reject God and his ways and, therefore, stand in the way of the implementation of the kingdom. At Christ's return, all will be set right, and the kingdom will be complete at last.
Here is an article that explains it more fully:
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/is ... -or-future
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Re: Sermon on the mount
Post #9Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.JehovahsWitness wrote:No I don't think so because that would in my opinion imply that it wouldn't be applicable to Christians.Elijah John wrote:
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Jesus was outlining the principles of Jewish living as he saw it, or Godly living?
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