Why can't Jesus come already?

[2Dbunk]

We've recently had innocent children gassed; school children killed enmass. pedestrians run over in large cities. So when will Jesus say "enough is enough" and come down and save those loyal to him before more of them defect to Donald Trump?

Some may think this is a dare by a disgruntled Atheist -- and they would be right! Enough of superstitious religion in everyman and woman's face, having to prove nothing but reveling and bragging about stupefying expectations. Why isn't "He" down here already, sending me to hell for my apostasy and delivering the brain dead to their ecstasy? Has anyone really thought about the multitudes just these past few weeks, that, because of their evil, will be consigned to everlasting brimstone. The Christian God and his son, knowing all this, are sadistic to the nth degree to allow it to continue. Can anyone logically defend the actions of this Dynamic Duo?

PS - I don't hate God, mainly because he doesn't exist (certainly not the personal kind, anyway).

[Overcomer]

I'm with Jehovah's Witness on this one. If God doesn't exist, why are you talking about him as if he does?

[ttruscott]

The Christian God and his son, knowing all this, are sadistic to the nth degree to allow it to continue. Can anyone logically defend the actions of this Dynamic Duo?

You would have to know something about Christian doctrine to understand this.

Christians as referring to those sinful people of the kingdom, Matt 13:37-8, those believers who are NOT condemned for their sins, Jn 3:18, are FORCED TO LIVE WITH the people of the evil one, the reprobate tares, Matt 13::38-9, those who are condemned already for their unbelief, Jn 3:18, UNTIL THE TIME OF THE HARVEST:
Matt 13:27 The owners servants came to him and said, Sir, didnt you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from? 28 An enemy did this, he replied.

The servants asked him, Do you want us to go and pull them up?

29 No, he answered, because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.

1st, being liable to be pulled up with the judgement upon the evil tares is proof that these good seed were sinful.
2nd, the time of the harvest is the time of the maturity of the seeds and the only maturity that saves a sinner from judgement is their maturity into holiness and righteousness.

So, 3d it is no great leap of faith to see that they MUST LIVE with these people of the evil one to speed their holiness and righteousness. It is the excessive sins of all people and learning that suffering and death are inevitable consequences of indulging in sin that draws the good seed to repentance and GOD's redemption.

All suffering and death is either a judgement upon the evils of the reprobate in the world or a punishment for the sins of the good seed as they are trained to ignore their memories of the pleasures and profits of sin, Heb 12:5-11. Well, some death is the freeing of the holy saints from earth so they may leave this place of suffering, their training over.

So even if one rejects all notions of retribution for crime and evil, which we have yet to see, judgement is a righteous response to evil.

[Bust Nak]

Returning too soon or too late will cause harm. Perhaps even be disastrous.

An omnipotent God does not need to compromise between timing and harm though.

That does not mean that God is willing to risk and perhaps harm...

There is no possible risk when you take omnipotence into account.

[Elijah John]

Returning too soon or too late will cause harm. Perhaps even be disastrous.

An omnipotent God does not need to compromise between timing and harm though.

That does not mean that God is willing to risk and perhaps harm...

There is no possible risk when you take omnipotence into account.

Also, isn't "harm" already part of the equation, (and factored in), what with the doctrine of the tribulation, the last judgement and "left behind" and all that?

[tam]

Peace again to you,

Returning too soon or too late will cause harm. Perhaps even be disastrous.

An omnipotent God does not need to compromise between timing and harm though.

And you know this how? And is a plan a compromise... or has that plan simply taken into consideration every possible variable and outcome, the times set accordingly, beforehand?

That does not mean that God is willing to risk and perhaps harm...

There is no possible risk when you take omnipotence into account.

Exactly.

Because God knows what is needed and at exactly what time certain things must be done.







Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Bust Nak]

And you know this how?

I know this from following the logical consequences of the concept of omnipotence.

And is a plan a compromise... or has that plan simply taken into consideration every possible variable and outcome, the times set accordingly, beforehand?

Either way is fine, I've said as much in the past. If an omnipotent being has a particular outcome in mind, he will skip all the intermediate steps in a plan and zap the outcome right into actuality. Having said that, there is some wiggle room here, since the steps in the middle can actually be part of what the onmipotent being is wishing for.

Because God knows what is needed and at exactly what time certain things must be done.

Right, but the argument here is, I too know what is needed and at exactly what time certain things must be done. And I say "know" in all seriousness since I am building that knowledge up logically step by step from simple premises, which means either God did not do what is needed at the required time; or the premises I build that knowledge from are faulty. Obviously Christians will reject the first notion. The catch with the second option is, the premises given to me by Christians telling me what they believe re: God's end goal and his omnipotence; this means there is something wrong with Christian teaching.

[1213]

We've recently had innocent children gassed; school children killed enmass. pedestrians run over in large cities. So when will Jesus say "enough is enough" and come down and save those loyal to him

Perhaps the reason is that all who are meant to be saved, have not yet come to existence and not all have had this lesson about good and evil. And that the message has not yet been declared as it should?

and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, And he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Romans 11:26

This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14

[Willum]

[Replying to post 17 by 1213]

I am going to have to lend to an unsavory joke to exemplify the point you made, so bear with me.

The joke:
Q: How do you keep a sucker in suspense?
A: I'll tell you tomorrow.

It seems to me this kind of rotten game has been played on Christians since about 70 AD, "the lord could come tomorrow," but he doesn't, why, "more people who need saving haven't been born yet."

...more people who need saving haven't been born yet?!

This God can't ungum the celestial pipes and get it done with?

Sorry, this is another data point in the saga of, the religion doesn't make sense, even according to its own rules.

[tam]

Peace to you,

And you know this how?

I know this from following the logical consequences of the concept of omnipotence.

And is a plan a compromise... or has that plan simply taken into consideration every possible variable and outcome, the times set accordingly, beforehand?

Either way is fine, I've said as much in the past. If an omnipotent being has a particular outcome in mind, he will skip all the intermediate steps in a plan and zap the outcome right into actuality.

How can a non-omnipotent being state what an omnipotent being would (or should) do?

Having said that, there is some wiggle room here, since the steps in the middle can actually be part of what the onmipotent being is wishing for.

Yes, indeed.

The journey is important.

We also learn on the journey, find treasure/pearls on the journey, receiving training on the journey.

Because God knows what is needed and at exactly what time certain things must be done.

Right, but the argument here is, I too know what is needed and at exactly what time certain things must be done. And I say "know" in all seriousness since I am building that knowledge up logically step by step from simple premises, which means either God did not do what is needed at the required time; or the premises I build that knowledge from are faulty.

Obviously the latter. (it is also possible that you are 'building' incorrectly)

Obviously Christians will reject the first notion.

Yes, as I just did, lol.

The catch with the second option is, the premises given to me by Christians telling me what they believe re: God's end goal and his omnipotence; this means there is something wrong with Christian teaching.

So then there is something wrong with "Christian teaching". I mean, is that even in doubt? The very fact that there are different sects and denominations in Christendom out there teaching opposing things, is proof that there is something wrong with "Christian teaching".



There is nothing wrong, however, with Christ's teaching. But there is something wrong with what men have interpreted, or added to, or taken away from, His teaching (in word and in deed).




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[ttruscott]

And you know this how?

I know this from following the logical consequences of the concept of omnipotence.

If omnipotence is defined to mean HE can do anything that is possible to think can be done then it is wrong. HE is constrained by HIS character, HIS knowledge of what is best for us and the impossibility of doing the logically impossible.

A wrong definition will lead to illogical consequences... How do you define omnipotence?