This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[polonius]

[Replying to post 34 by polonius.advice]

Your post completely ignores my specific and contextual explanation.

You have simply repeated yourself by quoting another scripture that is not about "this generation" at all.

I think I see what you point out. I reread 23 , it seems the generation in question, has long passed. As was foretold.

You may see what I have pointed out, but you do not accept it.

The generation in question is the one that has the characteristics described in Proverbs 30:11-14.

This kind of people have always been, and will always be, until heaven and earth pass away, just as he said.

Jesus described "this generation" as a "generation of vipers", the first of which was Cain, and whose destiny is Gehenna, Matthew 23:33-36.

RESPONSE: In two of the Gospels Jesus refers to this generation who will experiencing the second coming as including "some still standing here."

Rather obviously, it was his generation, although some try to claim the Gospels are inerrant. But Jesus was wrong in 2 of the 4 accounts.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 34 by polonius.advice]

Your post completely ignores my specific and contextual explanation.

You have simply repeated yourself by quoting another scripture that is not about "this generation" at all.

I think I see what you point out. I reread 23 , it seems the generation in question, has long passed. As was foretold.

You may see what I have pointed out, but you do not accept it.

The generation in question is the one that has the characteristics described in Proverbs 30:11-14.

This kind of people have always been, and will always be, until heaven and earth pass away, just as he said.

Jesus described "this generation" as a "generation of vipers", the first of which was Cain, and whose destiny is Gehenna, Matthew 23:33-36.

RESPONSE: In two of the Gospels Jesus refers to this generation who will experiencing the second coming as including "some still standing here."

Rather obviously, it was his generation, although some try to claim the Gospels are inerrant. But Jesus was wrong in 2 of the 4 accounts.

Either Jesus was wrong, or the Gospel evengelists were were wrong in ascribing such a prediction to Jesus. If Jesus and/or the Gospel evangelists expected the 2nd coming to occur in the lifetime of his aposltles, they were not alone.

Paul, the author of Hebrews and the epistle writer "John" also erroneously believed this would happen in their own generation as well.

People who read the pain meaning of Matthew 16.28 and related verses are often accused by advocates of Bible inerrancy of "misunderstanding". Do we misunderstand all of the examples of New Testament authors believing the "end is nigh", that the "last hour is here", "this generation" that "in these last days" or the "Lord will not tarry"?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 39 by Elijah John]

People who read the pain meaning of Matthew 16.28 and related verses are often accused by advocates of Bible inerrancy of "misunderstanding". Do we misunderstand all of the examples of New Testament authors believing the "end is nigh", that the "last hour is here", "this generation" that "in these last days" or the "Lord will not tarry"?

Maybe this or maybe that, but those matters are not what this thread is intended to be about.

I remind all posters as to what that was; it was stated very clearly.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 39 by Elijah John]

People who read the pain meaning of Matthew 16.28 and related verses are often accused by advocates of Bible inerrancy of "misunderstanding". Do we misunderstand all of the examples of New Testament authors believing the "end is nigh", that the "last hour is here", "this generation" that "in these last days" or the "Lord will not tarry"?

Maybe this or maybe that, but those matters are not what this thread is intended to be about.

I remind all posters as to what that was; it was stated very clearly.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

Those other verses alluded to provide context, and are suporting evidence that "this gerneration" means that generation, when the phrase was written. Not today, not some future generation.

[polonius]

Why is there any question about which generation would witness the Second Coming?

Matthew 16: 28
English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:27
English Revised Version
But I tell you of a truth, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Paul 1 Thes 4:15
Webster's Bible Translation
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not precede them who are asleep.

These are errors of course in "God breathed scripture."

Since Jesus didn't return, Fundamentalists are left with trying to argue that the words don't really mean what they clearly say.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 39 by Elijah John]

People who read the pain meaning of Matthew 16.28 and related verses are often accused by advocates of Bible inerrancy of "misunderstanding". Do we misunderstand all of the examples of New Testament authors believing the "end is nigh", that the "last hour is here", "this generation" that "in these last days" or the "Lord will not tarry"?

Maybe this or maybe that, but those matters are not what this thread is intended to be about.

I remind all posters as to what that was; it was stated very clearly.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

Those other verses alluded to provide context, and are suporting evidence that "this gerneration" means that generation, when the phrase was written. Not today, not some future generation.

Amazing.

We are talking right past each other.

Do you see that?

Do you know why?

[Checkpoint]

Why is there any question about which generation would witness the Second Coming?

Matthew 16: 28
English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:27
English Revised Version
But I tell you of a truth, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Paul 1 Thes 4:15
Webster's Bible Translation
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not precede them who are asleep.

These are errors of course in "God breathed scripture."

Since Jesus didn't return, Fundamentalists are left with trying to argue that the words don't really mean what they clearly say.

Chalk and cheese.

"This generation" is the "chalk", and your verses are the "cheese".

The two are entirely different.

[Elijah John]

Why is there any question about which generation would witness the Second Coming?

Matthew 16: 28
English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:27
English Revised Version
But I tell you of a truth, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Paul 1 Thes 4:15
Webster's Bible Translation
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not precede them who are asleep.

These are errors of course in "God breathed scripture."

Since Jesus didn't return, Fundamentalists are left with trying to argue that the words don't really mean what they clearly say.

Chalk and cheese.

"This generation" is the "chalk", and your verses are the "cheese".

The two are entirely different.

How so? Please demonstrate. Otherwise your statement here is an unsupported claim.

[Checkpoint]

Why is there any question about which generation would witness the Second Coming?

Matthew 16: 28
English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:27
English Revised Version
But I tell you of a truth, There be some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Paul 1 Thes 4:15
Webster's Bible Translation
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not precede them who are asleep.

These are errors of course in "God breathed scripture."

Since Jesus didn't return, Fundamentalists are left with trying to argue that the words don't really mean what they clearly say.

Chalk and cheese.

"This generation" is the "chalk", and your verses are the "cheese".

The two are entirely different.

How so? Please demonstrate. Otherwise your statement here is an unsupported claim.

I already have.

See posts 33 and 37.

[Tcg]

See posts 33 and 37.

Neither post 33 nor 37 mention chalk or cheese. How could either be an answer to a question which asks you to explain what you mean by chalk and cheese?