I saw someone say they're 'a slave to christ'.
The term slave/slavery has a negative connotation to most of us so it seemed odd to use the term in such a manner.
I get the meaning as it was used but I wonder how beneficial/positive it is to use such a word (or any other word) that has such a negative history in a way that is meant to be positive.
We all know words and their usage changes over time and even between cultures in current times, but as a teacher once told me "words have meanings - mean what you say and say what you mean."
Does society do this (use a word/term/phase that's know to be negative in a opposite manner) with any other belief system or is it unique within Christianity? Can you think of examples?
Is it healthy to do such a thing? Does, in this instance, using such a negative word/phrase/term in such a manner dilute, or take away the historical impact, word/phrase/term? Or does it make a positive meaning less positive?
Or should we be more loose with words and their meanings?
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Post #161
bluethread wrote:
With regard to a specific commandment, it could be said that a deity is
omnimalevolent, in that the deity is malevolent to all who break the commandment.
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The deity would be malevolent toward the violator.
It's logically impposible for non-moral agents(infants, severely mentally impaired people, non-human animals) to break, violate the commandment/commandments.
Q: So why is your God(who is suppose to be omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect, super wise, just, merciful) showing malevolence towards non-moral agents(infants, severely mentally impaired people, non-human animals), huh?:-s
Q: Why punish infants? Why not show mercy or compassion on infants? Why was God so adamant about not showing mercy and compassion on infants? Where is the super justice, mercy, wisdom?:-s
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"The LORD says,… I will slaughter their beloved children.�
"the LORD say to the other men,… kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. “
“struck them with the edge of the sword, the city, men and beasts and all that they found.�
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Post #162
I didn't say or imply that a deity is obligated to do what I want though.bluethread wrote: You also are doing it again, a deity is not obligated to do what you want.
Why would you suggest such a thing? Engaging in productive activity is not important what so ever given infinite resources.No, it is important in developing the ability to engage in productive activity.
Do better in what sense, better in gathering resources?It is a demonstrable fact that we do better when we are engaged in productive activity.
Sure, but I am still not sure where you are going with this?Yes, accept the constitution, be compelled to abide by the constitution, or live in another country. That is how nation states work.
The same way we assure that fines are paid, jail are paid for by taxes. Surely you are familiar with how we do things today?How do they assure that the fines will be paid? Who pays for the jail?
Right, why are you bringing it up though? I was talking about a being providing something because it was in its nature to do so. The same way I help my neighbors not because I was obliged to do so, but because I am a helpful person.However, the omnipotent being has no obligation to provide anything.
Because there would be no stress or discomfort.Also, why do you think that a world without challenges would be a good thing?
No it isn't. My view is better than the slaveholder's view.Then the slaveholder's view is as good as yours and the slaveholder and his slave can be on their merry way.
Right, but why would I care about the views of a slaveholder? Perhaps more importantly, why would you care about the views of a slaveholder? Are you pro slavery?As with you, he justifies his view by appealing to his opinion.
Why can't it be both? When I issue an absolute statement along the lines of slavery is always inappropriate, that would trivially cover situations with regard to HaTorah.Well, then we are no longer talking about slavery always being inappropriate or even inappropriate with regard to HaTorah, but about it being inappropriate according to the law of Bust Nak.
Please also confirm that by all situations, it also covers situations prescribed by the HaTorah. I just don't see how you can say always inappropriate but not with regard to HaTorah.Based on that, I concur that slavery is inappropriate in all situations according to Bust Nak. Have a good day.
Right, and I didn't think you would go along with it. Because the discussion is moot if you just went along with my personal definition.Hold it. You just asked that we have our discussion based on your defintion of malevolence.
Right you are, that's why I found it odd for you appeal to your personal subjective one re: "Malevalence is the violation of any moral standard."Maybe, that is why we use common definitions and not personal subjective ones.
