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Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

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101G wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Overcomer]

Addressing the OP only, and haven't read all the post. not saying that any is right or wrong, but consider this. this generation is a series of people in a given time, at given "events". example. Matthew 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?".

he was referring to those of that "generation" at that time and called them vipers, or an evil generation. another example, Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?". but our Lord makes its very clear as to who he is speaking to. Matthew 12:34 "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh".

knowing this a "generation" can be a "group" of people in current time, or a past time, or a future time, at a certain event. not just one group of people only. one must understand the context in which the certain group of people are made in reference to.

so this generation (a certain group) would not pass away at that time of that event, ... nor as in this statement. Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power". or this scripture, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom".

many think these events are future. no, they are temporal. for the Kingdom came on Pentecost, acts chapter 2. it was the son of man that came in Spirit, (Invisible, that Manifested in the Spiritual Gifts) not the son of God who is Visible, (bodily form) and yet to return. supportive scripture, Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen". when the Kingdom came on Pentecost, not "every" eye saw this, for it was manifested in Spirit. but in the bodily return, "every" eye will see him then.

so this generation at that time of the event did see the destruction, but there is a future "generation" who will see other fulfillment in there time at those "events".
I explained what Jesus meant by "generation" in my post #144. Do you care to comment on what I wrote?

Also, when Scripture says that "every eye shall see him," it means with their eyes of UNDERSTANDING, just as somebody might say, when he understands something, "Oh, I SEE." There are many verses that pertain to people "seeing" with perceptive clarity---not with literal eyes. Matthew 16:9 is one that demonstrates this point. See also MATTHEW 13:14; JOHN 9:41; 2CORINTH.4:4. "Seeing" is said to be with the mind....when someone UNDERSTANDS something.

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[Replying to post 158 by onewithhim]
I explained what Jesus meant by "generation" in my post #144. Do you care to comment on what I wrote?
I gave you a brief response in my post #152.

I haven't seen your reply so far.

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Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 144 by onewithhim]
What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?
Jesus was referring to his disciples, not all people. His disciples were about to bointed with Holy Spirit (at Pentecost) and would constitute those who would rule in heaven with him during his Millennial Reign over the earth. Those anointed disciples, in the first century and in our day, that would see the sign would be able to discern its meaning, that Jesus "is near at the doors." (Matt.24:33)

Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation," we might keep in mind a few things about the word "generation." It usually refers to, as one reference work points out, people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period;


Jesus was talking to his disciples but not referring to them whenever he said "this generation".

Nor was he using "generation" to describe what "it usually refers to", which is to identify a physical family that stems from their previous "generation" and then creates the next one.

Rather, he uses "generation" to describe and identify a spiritual family line with its own characteristics, usually negative.

OK. I apologize for not slowing down enough to see your post on this. I would say that I agree with what you think "this generation" refers to---to describe and identify a spiritual family line, though I would say Jesus did not infer that it was a negative spiritual family. In my understanding, this generation that started out in the years after 1879 overlapped with their spiritual brothers that are alive today, and it harmonizes with everything we learn in the Scriptures.

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onewithhim wrote:
Overcomer wrote: Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

Jesus was referring to his disciples, not all people. His disciples were about to be anointed with Holy Spirit (at Pentecost) and would constitute those who would rule in heaven with him during his Millennial Reign over the earth. Those anointed disciples, in the first century and in our day, that would see the sign would be able to discern its meaning, that Jesus "is near at the doors." (Matt.24:33)

Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation," we might keep in mind a few things about the word "generation." It usually refers to, as one reference work points out, people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; also, it is not too very long, and it has an end (see Exodus 1:6). That being said, it can be understood that Jesus evidently meant that the lives of the anointed ones who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it will have an end.

Because we are living now when the overlapping generation of anointed ones is still here, though getting old (!), we know that the tribulation must be near.


you asked me to comment on your post here.
first I see a bunch of ERROR in your post.

#1. the Lord Jesus was not speaking "ONLY" to his disciples.

#2. there are only "TWO" generation on this planet. the Righteous, or Good Generation, and the Unrighteous, or Evil Generation.

This Generation is a group of people from both of the two generation mention above.
and these people will full fill events in their generation of the time period allotted them.

example, Matthew 12:34 "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."


now, was these people audience relevant ONLY? yes,but was these people/generation was the "ONLY" evil people to ever walk on the earth? no, of course not. so when one speak of a generation, one need to know if its audience relevant or not.

example, Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power".

here, this is audience relevant of a future event in these people/THIS Generation lifetime.



but this is not an audience relevant event for this generation of that time, Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen".

notice the words, "and they also which pierced him". those who pierced him did not see the Lord Jesus return in the clouds, because this is a future event for another GENERATION of the GOOD and the EVIL. .


#4. "Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation"
this is true, because we will always have GOOD and evil on this planet until Christ return.

#5. "1914" where did that come from? and to overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation".

where did all that come from?. quit reading those magazines. Read the bible, Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father".

get dates out of your mind, it's unless.

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onewithhim wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 144 by onewithhim]
What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?
Jesus was referring to his disciples, not all people. His disciples were about to bointed with Holy Spirit (at Pentecost) and would constitute those who would rule in heaven with him during his Millennial Reign over the earth. Those anointed disciples, in the first century and in our day, that would see the sign would be able to discern its meaning, that Jesus "is near at the doors." (Matt.24:33)

Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation," we might keep in mind a few things about the word "generation." It usually refers to, as one reference work points out, people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period;


Jesus was talking to his disciples but not referring to them whenever he said "this generation".

Nor was he using "generation" to describe what "it usually refers to", which is to identify a physical family that stems from their previous "generation" and then creates the next one.

Rather, he uses "generation" to describe and identify a spiritual family line with its own characteristics, usually negative.

OK. I apologize for not slowing down enough to see your post on this. I would say that I agree with what you think "this generation" refers to---to describe and identify a spiritual family line, though I would say Jesus did not infer that it was a negative spiritual family. In my understanding, this generation that started out in the years after 1879 overlapped with their spiritual brothers that are alive today, and it harmonizes with everything we learn in the Scriptures.


No problem. I know how easy it is to miss a reply.

Interesting to see how you made your view seem to have some similarity to mine.

However "this generation" did not start in 1879, and does not refer to genuine followers of Christ.

Rather, Jesus tells us it started with Cain, was present for him to tell them they were a "generation of vipers", and will be here until all he talked about in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled.

Not a physical generation of a few years but a continual spiritual one.

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Here we have another logical impossibility, Leaving us in a mystery. Thessalonians took it literally until Paul mysterorized their concern with another logical impossibility only acceptable in faith. We are encouraged again to believe the apparently unbelievable .
Isn't this saying . hang in there the Kingdom of God will come no matter how long it takes , the Kingdom of God's coming is inevitable. Keep on believing, persevere in you belief until the world of goodness and merciful justice Jesus promised comes to be.

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[Replying to post 161 by 101G]
there are only "TWO" generation on this planet. the Righteous, or Good Generation, and the Unrighteous, or Evil Generation

This is true, because we will always have GOOD and evil on this planet until Christ return.
Exactly.

"This generation" is the "evil and adulterous" one, the "generation of vipers".

These two began with Cain and Abel, have always been here, and one will pass away at the return of Christ, and the other will live forever.

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101G wrote:
onewithhim wrote:
Overcomer wrote: Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

Jesus was referring to his disciples, not all people. His disciples were about to be anointed with Holy Spirit (at Pentecost) and would constitute those who would rule in heaven with him during his Millennial Reign over the earth. Those anointed disciples, in the first century and in our day, that would see the sign would be able to discern its meaning, that Jesus "is near at the doors." (Matt.24:33)

Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation," we might keep in mind a few things about the word "generation." It usually refers to, as one reference work points out, people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; also, it is not too very long, and it has an end (see Exodus 1:6). That being said, it can be understood that Jesus evidently meant that the lives of the anointed ones who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it will have an end.

Because we are living now when the overlapping generation of anointed ones is still here, though getting old (!), we know that the tribulation must be near.


you asked me to comment on your post here.
first I see a bunch of ERROR in your post.

#1. the Lord Jesus was not speaking "ONLY" to his disciples.

#2. there are only "TWO" generation on this planet. the Righteous, or Good Generation, and the Unrighteous, or Evil Generation.

This Generation is a group of people from both of the two generation mention above.
and these people will full fill events in their generation of the time period allotted them.

example, Matthew 12:34 "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."


now, was these people audience relevant ONLY? yes,but was these people/generation was the "ONLY" evil people to ever walk on the earth? no, of course not. so when one speak of a generation, one need to know if its audience relevant or not.

example, Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power".

here, this is audience relevant of a future event in these people/THIS Generation lifetime.



but this is not an audience relevant event for this generation of that time, Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen".

notice the words, "and they also which pierced him". those who pierced him did not see the Lord Jesus return in the clouds, because this is a future event for another GENERATION of the GOOD and the EVIL. .


#4. "Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation"
this is true, because we will always have GOOD and evil on this planet until Christ return.

#5. "1914" where did that come from? and to overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation".

where did all that come from?. quit reading those magazines. Read the bible, Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father".

get dates out of your mind, it's unless.

You say that Jesus wasn't speaking to only his disciples. Yes he was, as any cursory reading of the verses above will attest. Therefore, his mention of "this generation" could indeed (and did, in my estimation) refer to his disciples in the last days.

Your opinion about the generations being righteous people and then evil people is not based on anything that I can agree with, esp. after considering EXODUS 1:6 which is an example of what I mean by generations in this case.

"Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation."

This is not referring to evil people or righteous.


Your reference to Mark 9:1 does not even fit in with the "generation" discussion. Jesus was speaking about Peter, James and John who would accompany him "into a lofty mountain to themselves alone, and he was transfigured before them." This was immediately after he said that some there (among his disciples) would not die before they saw "the Kingdom of God come in power." Indeed, those three did not die yet but saw Jesus transfigured into what he would be like when he took over the rulership of his Father's Kingdom. He shone bright like the sun, depicting his glorious spirit body that he would have when the Kingdom would be established over the earth.

I see you are not familiar with Bible chronology and the prophecy of Daniel that pinned down exactly when the Kingdom of God would begin to rule in the heavens. This prophecy nails down the year as 1914. That is when the "times of the Gentiles" came to an end (Luke 21:24) and the Kingdom began reigning---the time when God would once again become fully involved in the affairs of men. The Kingdom rule is now concentrated on directing Jesus' disciples on Earth in the preaching work (Matthew 24:14), and when this is done to Jehovah's satisfaction, the Great Tribulation will break out with the culminating war of Armageddon and the incoming of the Millennial Reign of Christ over the earth (Daniel 2:44).

I already said that we can't know the day or the hour, but we can know the season, and we have noticed the "young branches putting out leaves." (Matt.24:32,33) Jesus wants his disciples to be aware of what is going on.

If you don't agree with our understanding of Daniel 4:16,25 (when Jehovah's Kingdom would be reestablished over the Earth), then tell me what that prophecy means please.

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Checkpoint wrote:
onewithhim wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 144 by onewithhim]
What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?
Jesus was referring to his disciples, not all people. His disciples were about to bointed with Holy Spirit (at Pentecost) and would constitute those who would rule in heaven with him during his Millennial Reign over the earth. Those anointed disciples, in the first century and in our day, that would see the sign would be able to discern its meaning, that Jesus "is near at the doors." (Matt.24:33)

Although we can't measure the exact length of "this generation," we might keep in mind a few things about the word "generation." It usually refers to, as one reference work points out, people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period;


Jesus was talking to his disciples but not referring to them whenever he said "this generation".

Nor was he using "generation" to describe what "it usually refers to", which is to identify a physical family that stems from their previous "generation" and then creates the next one.

Rather, he uses "generation" to describe and identify a spiritual family line with its own characteristics, usually negative.

OK. I apologize for not slowing down enough to see your post on this. I would say that I agree with what you think "this generation" refers to---to describe and identify a spiritual family line, though I would say Jesus did not infer that it was a negative spiritual family. In my understanding, this generation that started out in the years after 1879 overlapped with their spiritual brothers that are alive today, and it harmonizes with everything we learn in the Scriptures.


No problem. I know how easy it is to miss a reply.

Interesting to see how you made your view seem to have some similarity to mine.

However "this generation" did not start in 1879, and does not refer to genuine followers of Christ.

Rather, Jesus tells us it started with Cain, was present for him to tell them they were a "generation of vipers", and will be here until all he talked about in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled.

Not a physical generation of a few years but a continual spiritual one.

I do see how your viewpoint meshes with mine, and I don't understand where you get the idea that when Jesus spoke of "this generation" he wasn't talking about his genuine followers. Why wouldn't my view be as correct as yours? What you say about "a continual spiritual" generation does agree with my view, though I refer to the Last Days, whereas you refer to mankind since Cain. Could you explain that? It takes a while for me to get the picture on some things.

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dio9 wrote: Here we have another logical impossibility, Leaving us in a mystery. Thessalonians took it literally until Paul mysterorized their concern with another logical impossibility only acceptable in faith. We are encouraged again to believe the apparently unbelievable .
Isn't this saying . hang in there the Kingdom of God will come no matter how long it takes , the Kingdom of God's coming is inevitable. Keep on believing, persevere in you belief until the world of goodness and merciful justice Jesus promised comes to be.
Just what is "another logical impossibility"?

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