Whose Bible is THE Bible ...?

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:41 pm

The Samaritan THE Bible has 5, and sometimes 6, booklets.

The Hebrew THE Bible has 24 booklets.

The Protestant THE Bible has 66 booklets.

The Roman Catholic THE Bible has 73 booklets.

The Greek Orthodox THE Bible has 79 booklets.

The Ethiopic THE Bible has 81 booklets.

They can't all be THE Bible.

Supposedly, all Scripture comes from "God" - God being the various versions of the mythological Jewish god Yahweh when it comes to the Bibles.

What are the objective criteria for determining "scripture" ...?

Are you accepting your version of THE Bible as the Word of Yahweh, or Jesus, or even the Holy Ghost without actually checking ...?

Religions are full of charlatans who brainwash you into accepting all manner of unsupported miracle and mystery as God's own TRUTH.

It's beneficial to your mind and your money to check.

Jagella · Post by **Jagella** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Tart wrote:I found another inmate taring the New Testament to shreds and throwing it out his cell, and so i scooped it up, pieced it together, and read it... And i was saved in that jail cell...

Is it safe to say that other inmate wasn't saved? LOL

Indeed God does will a way for those seeking... And the proof of that is Christ...

So TIMITS acts to save some people while letting others go to hell?

Anyway, I'm glad you shared your prison story. Many people endure very difficult experiences, and then they in desperation convert to Christianity or some other religion. When we go through hell, we naturally seek to be saved from that hell. If we are told "Jesus saves," then many of us want to be saved by him. So converting to Christianity can be explained using what we know about human psychology. No gods or saviors are needed to explain any of it; it's all in the mind.

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:45 pm

Divine Insight wrote:
Tart wrote: This is scripture interpretation gone awry... Some of the things you are claiming to be Christian beliefs and teachings arent Christian beliefs, or teachings. It is poorly interpreted. And it would be like a straw-man, to claim these beliefs are Christian beliefs (when they arent), and then to refute them as contradictory. That is basically you refuting what you thought up in your imagination...
Christian "beliefs" are what's grossly wrong.

Why would you believe Paul over Jesus?

Why would you believe what so-called "Christians" teach over what Jesus taught?

Jesus warned that false prophets would come in his name. Jesus never mentioned anything about the coming of Paul. Do you think that if Jesus knew Paul was coming he would have mentioned him?

Clearly Paul is a false prophet. Yet the vast majority of what you call "Christian Teachings" are based on the nonsense Paul taught, NOT on what Jesus taught.

I just posted verses that clearly have Jesus proclaiming that we are in charge of our own righteousness, and our own salvation, and our own destiny to obtain eternal life.

For you to claim otherwise requires that you reject the teachings of Jesus in favor of some other teachings. You can't can't point to anything Paul taught. In fact, the very moment you point to anything that Paul wrote you are rejecting Jesus.

Jesus never mentioned Paul or prophesied that Paul was to come so shortly after Jesus' death. To the contrary he warned that false prophets would come in his name. Paul is a false prophet that has become the foundation of Christendom.

If you listen to Paul you are rejecting the teachings of Jesus because Paul taught just the opposite of what Jesus taught.

So if you love Jesus you should tell Paul to go jump in a lake. And you should never preach anything that Paul said. Paul was clearly a sick and troubled man who was filled with hatred, and misogyny to boot. He was the polar opposite of Jesus.

DI... You dont even believe in Jesus, as his teachings... You have debated against any prophecy being true, and you dont believe that "false prophets" exist (in an objective christian sense)...

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:48 pm

Jagella wrote:
Tart wrote:I found another inmate taring the New Testament to shreds and throwing it out his cell, and so i scooped it up, pieced it together, and read it... And i was saved in that jail cell...
Is it safe to say that other inmate wasn't saved? LOL

Indeed God does will a way for those seeking... And the proof of that is Christ...
So TIMITS acts to save some people while letting others go to hell?

Anyway, I'm glad you shared your prison story. Many people endure very difficult experiences, and then they in desperation convert to Christianity or some other religion. When we go through hell, we naturally seek to be saved from that hell. If we are told "Jesus saves," then many of us want to be saved by him. So converting to Christianity can be explained using what we know about human psychology. No gods or saviors are needed to explain any of it; it's all in the mind.

Questioning the motives of my personal belief, as a case against Christianity, is a genetic fallacy. Its a logical fallacy... My personal belief doesnt make Christianity true or not true, that would rest on Christianity itself.

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:02 pm

Tart wrote: DI... You dont even believe in Jesus, as his teachings... You have debated against any prophecy being true, and you dont believe that "false prophets" exist (in an objective christian sense)...

None of this matters. I can still comment on the Bible in the same way that I can comment on any fictional stories.

Besides Tart, I AM a Christian!

I was born and raised into Christianity. I accepted Christ as my savior and was born-again in Christ. I know all about "Christianity".

Finally, why should I give a hoot what you might believe about this religion?

You keep talking about what "Christians believe", but the fact of the matter is that no two Christians can agree on much of anything other than the Bible claims that Jesus is Yahweh's Son and that Yahweh is ultimately "God".

Move beyond those basics and Christians disagree on just about everything. Why do you think there are so many disagreeing and divisive forms of "Christianity".

Before you try to tell me what "Christians believe", you better check with other so-called "Christians". As far as I can see Christians pretty much hate each other's guts when it comes to interpreting the Bible verse by verse.

Jagella · Post by **Jagella** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:12 pm

Tart wrote:Questioning the motives of my personal belief, as a case against Christianity, is a genetic fallacy. Its a logical fallacy... My personal belief doesnt make Christianity true or not true, that would rest on Christianity itself.

My reasoning is that if we don't need magic to explain Christian belief, then we need not bother to explain Christian belief with magic. In other words, I'm applying Occam's razor. I've reduced the number of assumptions by one--the assumption that Christianity is magical in nature. Since my explanation of Christianity involves fewer assumptions than yours, my explanation is more likely to be true.

By the way, a "genetic fallacy" is the reasoning that a claim is false based on its origin. If I reasoned that your claim that your conversion to Christianity involved magic is false because you claim it, then yes, that would be a genetic fallacy. But that's really not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that I have a better explanation that does not involve the extra assumption of magic.

showme · Post by **showme** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:57 pm

StuartJ wrote: The Samaritan THE Bible has 5, and sometimes 6, booklets.

The Hebrew THE Bible has 24 booklets.

The Protestant THE Bible has 66 booklets.

The Roman Catholic THE Bible has 73 booklets.

The Greek Orthodox THE Bible has 79 booklets.

The Ethiopic THE Bible has 81 booklets.

They can't all be THE Bible.

Supposedly, all Scripture comes from "God" - God being the various versions of the mythological Jewish god Yahweh when it comes to the Bibles.

What are the objective criteria for determining "scripture" ...?

Are you accepting your version of THE Bible as the Word of Yahweh, or Jesus, or even the Holy Ghost without actually checking ...?

Religions are full of charlatans who brainwash you into accepting all manner of unsupported miracle and mystery as God's own TRUTH.

It's beneficial to your mind and your money to check.

The Hebrew bible was used by Yeshua, who said it couldn't be broken. On the other hand, the rest of the bibles you listed are from the daughters of Babylon. One is to flee from the daughter of Babylon (Zechariah 2:7). Your NT is a compilation of the tare seed and the good seed, all planted in the same field. At the "end of the age" the lawless, and the stumbling blocks will be gathered out and burned (Matthew 13:30). Woops, we are at the "end of the age".

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:11 pm

[Replying to post 17 by showme]

The Hebrew THE Bible was not used by Joshua/Jesus/Yeshua/Whoever.

The was no Hebrew THE Bible until WAY after the Son of Jehovah ascended back above the clouds to assemble the armies of angels that didn't appear the first time he visited this planet.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/rev ... ish-canon/

(Unless I'm missing some clever British irony here again ...?)

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:37 pm

The Holy Spirit's Bible, the one He teaches us while indwelling us...

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:40 pm

ttruscott wrote: The Holy Spirit's Bible, the one He teaches us while indwelling us...

If that were the case he wouildn't need a printed black book that's filled with extreme self-contradictions.

A Holy Spirit indwells within you? Sounds like a form of demonic possession if you ask me.

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:34 pm

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And still not one person of faith has nominated a single criterion for objectively determining "scripture".

And still they insist they are holding the "Word of God" in their hands.

But only pay attention to the bits they really like ....

Makes them quasi-atheists, in my view.

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