Did the Loving Jesus Flood Our Planet ...?

[StuartJ]

Our friends at Answers in Genesis put the genocidal global flood from the God of Love at 2348 BC(E) https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/

Right about the beginning of the Egyptian Sixth Dynasty (so we know where we are).

The somewhat contradictory Flood myths involve both the Elohim and Yahweh - together believed as "God" by faith communities.

"God" for most - but certainly not all - Christians is the combo of Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Ghost.

Much is made of the love of Jesus - and while many Christians make much of him being involved in the two quite contradictory creation myths ...

I cannot think of one Christian who credits Jesus with drowning the little children of the world ....

Was Jesus involved in this global genocide ...?

[ttruscott]

I cannot think of one Christian who credits Jesus with drowning the little children of the world ....

Was Jesus involved in this global genocide ...?

Then you haven't checked back far enough in the archives. I have put my faith in the Trinity of which one of the divine Persons is Jesus, the Christ. And as the Captain of YHWH's army, what makes you think that I would not accept His judgment upon the sins of men unto death? Is it the number of deaths at the same time that bothers you?

If they were all spread out over a longer time, how does it become more righteous for you? It is either a righteous judgment of evil or it is not...the number of those executed for irredeemable evil is irrelevant.

[ttruscott]

How do you justify Jesus committing genocide? Is it simply a matter of might makes right or that the owner of a property has the right to do with it as he wishes?

No might makes right. No ownership issues... JUST A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT OF EVIL. These deaths were an execution of evil, probably psychopathic, demons who were condemned for their evil by a righteous Judge who understood perfectly their evil and the absolute necessity of their deaths.

[Elijah John]

I cannot think of one Christian who credits Jesus with drowning the little children of the world ....

Was Jesus involved in this global genocide ...?

Then you haven't checked back far enough in the archives. I have put my faith in the Trinity of which one of the divine Persons is Jesus, the Christ. And as the Captain of YHWH's army, what makes you think that I would not accept His judgment upon the sins of men unto death? Is it the number of deaths at the same time that bothers you?

If they were all spread out over a longer time, how does it become more righteous for you? It is either a righteous judgment of evil or it is not...the number of those executed for irredeemable evil is irrelevant.

Didn't Jesus die to "pay for" the sins of those killed in the flood as well? I thought the crucifixion was the solution for sin, but maybe the flood PLUS crucifixion?

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 12 by ttruscott]

No might makes right. No ownership issues... JUST A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT OF EVIL. These deaths were an execution of evil, probably psychopathic, demons who were condemned for their evil by a righteous Judge who understood perfectly their evil and the absolute necessity of their deaths.

Can you be specific concerning what it was these people did that warranted all of them being executed? Probably is not really adequate where the outcome involves genocide.

[Elijah John]

How do you justify Jesus committing genocide? Is it simply a matter of might makes right or that the owner of a property has the right to do with it as he wishes?

No might makes right. No ownership issues... JUST A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT OF EVIL. These deaths were an execution of evil, probably psychopathic, demons who were condemned for their evil by a righteous Judge who understood perfectly their evil and the absolute necessity of their deaths.

And I guess your PCE theology explains why the babies too were drowned. Evil? psychopatic, demonic babies?

Perhaps instead of some Divine punishment, the flood was simply a natural disaster and far more limited then what was depicted in the Bible. And even if the ark story is just myth, would that invalidate a general belief in God or even a Benevolent God? (semi-rhetorical question for all)

[Wootah]

[Replying to brunumb]

This is StuartJs thread. I am not sure he would appreciate going off topic. I'll need StuartJ to confirm if he wants that question answered.

Would love you to start a new thread.

Not really. Thanks.

[Wootah]

Was Jesus involved in this global genocide ...?

Was it a genocide?

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group. The term was coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin. Wikipedia

This is the flood account. Assuming God is telling the truth. It sounds like a matter of justice?

Genesis 6:9-9:17 New International Version (NIV)
Noah and the Flood
9 This is the account of Noah and his family.

Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.

11 Now the earth was corrupt in Gods sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

Did the loving Jesus flood our planet?

There is no reliable evidence indicating our planet was ever flooded on it a biblical scale.

Thus, if the flood don't fit, we must acquit.

Jesus, you're free to go, just don't eat you no suppers with you a big ol' bunch of folk.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 12 by ttruscott]

No might makes right. No ownership issues... JUST A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT OF EVIL. These deaths were an execution of evil, probably psychopathic, demons who were condemned for their evil by a righteous Judge who understood perfectly their evil and the absolute necessity of their deaths.

Can you be specific concerning what it was these people did that warranted all of them being executed? Probably is not really adequate where the outcome involves genocide.

I'll answer for Ted. Going off the top of my head, and coming from me, this will be a paraphrase...
Basically, (according to Ted) there was a spiritual realm of some sort where all us humans (and possibly angels) existed before we were even conceived. One day, along comes God, who gives to all of us a choice. A marriage with him, or separation from him a.k.a. hell, the outer everlasting darkness, which isn't a thing created by God by the way.
Oh, and God did not prove himself to be our creator. Apparently this question requires our free will, and in order to safeguard this free will, evidence was not allowed to enter the equation.
Anyone who didn't choose God lost their memories (can't remember if Ted says God directly wiped our memories or if its somehow some sort of natural effect for not choosing God) and was banished to this planet, which is a prison planet. Every single person, without exception, on this prison planet, is evil, a convicted criminal.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 1 by StuartJ]

Yes. Jesus is God, of course, he did it.

We are all under the curse of death as well. In 100 years time give or take over 8 billion people will die. That curse was by God on man, Jesus is God and Jesus did that.

What is your stance on abortion?

I can't fathom it...
No, I can understand and even empathize with having a desire for billions of people to die.
I once felt the same way.
However, what I cannot fathom is writing out on a public facing forum that the person/thing I follow is gonna come along in 100 years and kill 8 billion people...and somehow the thought that "This is what makes me evil" doesn't cross my head.

Wootah, if saying that your Lieber Anfhrer is going to return and cause billions of people's deaths isn't literally the most evil thing one can say (and hope for)...what is there to call evil?