Was all very good in the garden?

[ttruscott]

[JehovahsWitness]

But for Adam no suitable helper was found. If this sentence does not mean he was looking for a mate, then what can it mean?

It could mean that at the time, there was no mate for Adam.

Since it does not say that Adam was looking for a mate, much less that he was looking for a mate amongst the animals (which would be evidence of an unatural perversion and possibly an indication of a mental illness) we can reasonably come to the conclusion that it was simply a statement of fact by the author. I say "by the author" because the text does not attribute the observation to Adam. It is mentioned as it was relevant as naming the animals was one of Adam's first projects as a single man.

If an unmarried teacher teacher takes roll call each day, there is no reason to presume that it is for the purpose of choosing one to rape, especially if it is explicitly stated that the purpose of ensuring all children are safely accounted for.

It is absolutely absurd (and in my opinion blasphemous) to suggest that God in any way took actions to facilitate bestiality by bringing animals to Adam for the purpose that Adam consider having sexual intercourse with them). A God that can read hearts and thoughts would never compromise his own clean standards by participating in such a perverse project.

Why did GOD have to first bring him all the animals and show him that they were unsuitable?

He was not bringing them to show them to be unsuitable, he was bringing them for Adam to name them! That is what the text explicitly states.




JW

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 11 by ttruscott]


I do not understand your comments nor can I find the answer to my question.

I am simply asking if, in your opinion, Adams obedience to God was displeasing to the Creator?

Or was God indifferent to Adam's refraining from eating from the tree as instructed?

Displeased or indifferent?


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Could you direct me to any words in the text that imply God requested Adam submit to sleep to extract a rib and that Adam refused or expressed in any way he would only be willing to submit himself to the process AFTER he was shown all the animals.

[...]NO, this sequence of events is not in the story.

So upon what basis do you question Adams attitude?

Adam willing to comply with GOD's will for him in this? Well, he was, but only after GOD had brought him all the animals first and they had all been shown to be unsuitable ..

Are you not suggesting here that Adam was initially unwilling to submit to God's means of providing him with a mate ? If not what are you suggesting by the above statement? For me the expression "only after" implies that Adam displayed or expressed a reluctance to promptly comply with God's request, if that's not what you meant, could you please clarify?

... the conversation of two people who were used to walking in the garden in conversation together can be inferred from their actions told in the story.

True but you have presented nothing either in context or subsequent action to support your supposition apart from a claim in direct contradiction to the explicitly stated reason for God presenting the animals to Adam.


JW

[ttruscott]

It could mean that at the time, there was no mate for Adam.

Since it does not say that Adam was looking for a mate,

You were the first to use mate in this context. ..I used the biblical helpmeet for whatever it means...

You and the other guy want to assume that refers to sex? Well I do not and still don't.

[ttruscott]

ttruscott wrote: Adam willing to comply with GOD's will for him in this? Well, he was, but only after GOD had brought him all the animals first and they had all been shown to be unsuitable ..

Are you not suggesting here that Adam was initially unwilling to submit to God's means of providing him with a mate ? If not what are you suggesting by the above statement? For me the expression "only after" implies that Adam displayed or expressed a reluctance to promptly comply with God's request, if that's not what you meant, could you please clarify?

What clarify? You got it right the first time....except in your rendition you do not deal logically with the whole sticking his needing for a helpmeet into the animals being brought to him and his naming them like the bible does. If Adam had said "let me look around here for a wife; I'm not sure I trust Eve to be a good wife to help me when I don't need help," then GOD might have brought him the animals...but if that was not Adam's attitude, why bring the animals into his search for a helpmeet? And it is the story that implies that, not me.

I'll pay attention when you deal with that because how we deal with that sets up the meaning of GOD bringing the animals to him. If you have no understanding of this then say so, but you can't pretend it is not written in the story...

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 11 by ttruscott]


I do not understand your comments nor can I find the answer to my question.

I am simply asking if, in your opinion, Adams obedience to God was displeasing to the Creator?

Or was God indifferent to Adam's refraining from eating from the tree as instructed?

Displeased or indifferent?


JW

Neither, as I said. Adam did exactly as he was predetermined to do to have his eyes opened to his sin so he could seek repentance. Did that displease GOD. No. Was GOD indifferent to that? Of course not - HE went to a lot of work to get this played out so Adam's eyes would be opened. That is why I said your questions were immaterial to the story.

Your question [was Adams obedience to God was displeasing to the Creator?] seems to imply Adam's God was not the creator which is outside of my interpretation altogether.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 11 by ttruscott]


I do not understand your comments nor can I find the answer to my question.

I am simply asking if, in your opinion, Adams obedience to God was displeasing to the Creator?

Or was God indifferent to Adam's refraining from eating from the tree as instructed?

Displeased or indifferent?


JW

Neither, as I said. Adam did exactly as he was predetermined to do to have his eyes opened to his sin so he could seek repentance. Did that displease GOD. No. Was GOD indifferent to that? Of course not

So if God was not displeased with Adam's obedience. And if God was not indifferent to his obedience... then would the only other reasonable option be that he was pleased and approving of Adam's obedience?


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

You were the first to use mate in this context. ..I used the biblical helpmeet for whatever it means...

You and the other guy want to assume that refers to sex? Well I do not and still don't.

GOD wanted him to get married and that, to get his wife ... Why did GOD have to first bring him all the animals and show him that they were unsuitable?

♦ Were you not suggesting that God (reluctantly) brought animals to Adam for the purpose of demonstrating they were "unsuitable" for him to marry ?

♦ What was Gods stated purpose of marriage?

♦ If not marriage, what are you suggesting God wanted the animals to be seen as unsuitable FOR ( that Eve was to be suitable for) ?




JW

[ttruscott]

So if God was not displeased with Adam's obedience. And if God was not indifferent to his obedience... then would the only other reasonable option be that he was pleased and approving of Adam's obedience?

Obedience to what? I'm getting confused with your semi-Socratic nitpicking... I have made no contention about Adam's obedience anywhere. I suddenly get the idea you have a pet meaning of this word that is to be a rug you are luring me to stand upon...

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 29 by ttruscott]

Not at all; it just seemed to me you were attempting to use Adam's obedience to God to build some kind of rational to support his (Adam's) prehuman fall from grace. Perhaps I misunderstood all your talk of "innocence" and "righteousness" ... but if it had nothing at all to do with an arguement that Adam had somehow lost his good standing with God why pray tell, did you bring all that section on loss of "innocence" up in the first place?