Isn't Noah's the only true bloodline?

[Willum]

Since everyone is derived from Noah and his four sons, (that must have been a happy family with a lot of love,) what is the point of the generations before him?

I mean everything and everyone came from him right?
He could have made everything up before then, right?

At this nexus in history, how does anyone have any reliability that what came from him and his four sons was true?
Only one kept records, right? Before there was writing?

Isn't Noah the true Adam? and everything prior, a pointless exercise?
and why not at this point, just have started over instead of maintaining the horror wrought in the Garden? is God an idiot?

[Tcg]

So let me get this straight, you're allowed to say {quote} " [ the ] ark seems ... impossible" but Im not allowed to challenge what you say?

You seem to have one standard for your claims, which you claim aren't claims. What is it you call them? Faith Based Statements? You use that claim of not making claims to avoid addressing challenges to your claims which you claim aren't claims.

And yet when Willum states what is clearly an opinion, note his use of the word "seems", you complain that he won't bend to your demand for support.

This is a rather glaring double standard and this is far from the first time it has been used.

Edit: I just double checked and the phrase you use to dodge providing support is, "faith based opinions".

[bluethread]

It is oral mythology that was not put into writing until the time of Moshe'. That does not mean that it did not happen. It means that what is important are the principles established in the record of the antediluvian period, not whether it actually occurred.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 12 by bluethread]

So, to be clear, you are saying the verbally transferred history, with unicorns and people turning to salt is more reliable than recorded history and events of comparable days?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Youre allowed to stay on topic. You can segue for elaboration, ...

Okay, well you mentioned the ark and said it seemed "impossible". I take it by ark you were refering to the boat. What exactly about the boat that YOU mentoned ( not me, you bought it up) do you feel is "impossibe" ?

His ark seems incredible, in fact impossible.

Can you elaborate on your point about the ark?

[Replying to JehovahsWitness] You can segue for elaboration, ...

[Tcg]

Can you elaborate on your point about the ark?

Willum has already made it clear this is not relevant to the topic this thread is intended to address.

If this doesn't convince you to drop your off topic query, accept that his statement is a non-faith based opinion. Just as your faith based opinions require no support, the same is true for non-faith based opinions.

If you object to this equal standard, then please address why your double standard should be honored.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 12 by bluethread]

So, to be clear, you are saying the verbally transferred history, with unicorns and people turning to salt is more reliable than recorded history and events of comparable days?

Where are unicorns in HaTorah? What I am saying is that the accounts that were transferred verbally were written down by Moshe in order to capture the common heritage and principles of the people of Israel. Whether or not the events occurred precisely as recorded is secondary at best.

[FWI]

Since everyone is derived from Noah and his four sons.

This isn't correct! Noah and his wife wouldn't have had the necessary genes to account for the variety of skin colors, which humans had before the flood and is evident today. Yet, Adam and Eve would have, because they were created that wayHence, this leads us to the reality that two of Noah's sons wives did not come from the same hereditary line as Noah and his wife or from the line of Seth. This is validated by the necessary linage of the Christ. Where, there must be an unbroken link between Seth, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the tribe of Judah and the Christ. It's all about the genetics, which God brought to be.

What is the point of the generations before him?

It's all about examples, good ones and bad ones! Where, making the wrong choices lead to tragic consequences.

Thus, showing that the basic 10-commandments of God were in affect during this time period and that humans continually disobeyed them. Thus, the reason for the flood

Hence, Noah is not the true Adam and there is a point to the generations before the flood. Therefore, the derogatory remark about God would also go in the opposite direction and point to someone else.

[Willum]

[Replying to bluethread]

Do I really have to point out the verse with unicorns in it? Will that get you to admit you worship a false religion, when I do?

As far as being secondary. Hmmmm. If you book of ultimate truth cant get history right, because its writers are vainglorious, imagine what they will say god says about them. That they are the best is his eyes, and who knows what else. Maybe like it is ok to kill anyone but them.

[bluethread]

[Replying to bluethread]

Do I really have to point out the verse with unicorns in it? Will that get you to admit you worship a false religion, when I do?

According to the TOS, you are required to. For my part, I do not worship any religion. Regarding the religion that I practice, why would I change that based on a verse with unicorns in it?

As far as being secondary. Hmmmm. If you book of ultimate truth cant get history right, because its writers are vainglorious, imagine what they will say god says about them. That they are the best is his eyes, and who knows what else. Maybe like it is ok to kill anyone but them.

Why must it state history in a way that is satisfactory to you? I don't know about vainglory, but as I stated, it's purpose is to capture the common heritage and principles of the people of Israel. That heritage tells them that they are not the best in Adonai's eyes. It also does not say that it is acceptable to kill anyone but them. It does establish principles that are codified in the rest of HaTorah.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 19 by bluethread]

As far as pointing out Bible verses, I like it: It is always good to show a believer just how little they know about their book of ultimate truth.
Or is that Book of Ultimate Allegory?

Isaiah 34:7

Regarding the religion that I practice, why would I change that based on a verse with unicorns in it?

Because that's what a sane person would do when they realized a book contained unicorns. They would realize the book it came out of was a book of fairy tales, and pay it no more heed.
Wouldn't you?

Why must it state history in a way that is satisfactory to you?

Not me, posterity, history, you know, something you could make decisions with some reliability with.
In other words - not vainglory or fairy tales, nor especially vainglorious fairy-tales.

I mean you don't make decisions based on Mao's propaganda right? That he is a demi-god that is so awesome?

Of course the Hebrew were the best in Yahweh's eyes, they wrote it!

Now let's get back to my question:

So, to be clear, you are saying the verbally transferred history, with unicorns and people turning to salt is more reliable than recorded history and events of comparable days?