Democracy is Unbiblical

[StuartJ]

In the biblical folklore, some of the millions of folks in the mixed multitude wandering in the wilderness objected to the dictatorship of Moses and his sidekick Aaron:

They gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and Yahweh is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of Yahweh?

The probably fictional Moses and the sidekick he would later defrock, were none too pleased.

But the definitely fictional Yahweh had it sorted:

And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also.
And there came out a fire from Yahweh, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.

So, there we have it ... Yahweh wants HIS chosen dictator to be running the show in HIS name ...

And he'll have the earth swallow those with notions of democracy.

(I can't see how you can possibly read philosophy, or poetry, or love into this nasty little tale either, BTW. It looks like more human politics to me.)

And for centuries, Christian popes were sure that THEY should be ruling the world in Jesus' mighty name ... but only until he comes back with more fire and hail mixed with blood.

So, should we set Pope Francis, or Benny Hinn, or Pat Robertson (a woman would NEVER do) or some other senior white male over us as Theocrat ... as the "Word of God" quite clearly intends ...?

[NervyGuy]

Welcome to the forum, NervyGuy.

Thanks. Bear with me as I am a techno-idiot and may screw up my posting attempts for awhile.

There are blessings attached to God's being invisible, for some incredibly favoured people can communicate with him today with the panache of Moses.

Yes, I have met and loved many such prophets online already.

In the distant future Jesus will be made President or Prime minister (I forget his title) and democracy will not be needed.

Do we have his DNA, so as to make sure he is really Jesus?

Or will he do miracles to prove Himself?

[NervyGuy]

When Jesus comes back, all those who are not TRUE Christians will be burning in Hell, along with the Hindus and homosexuals and smart-mouth Atheists.

Well, I guess that would settle it then.

But if it's all gonna come down to God doing His magic, I'm not sure why we're discussing it. Can't we all just go home and wait?

[NervyGuy]

Today God's mandates and requirements are outlined in the bible and a small group of spirit anointed men ensure that theocratic order is maintained.

OK. Can you tell me how these men will be selected and confirmed as authority figures?

Will God come into everyone's head and say, "These men are the authorities?"

Or will these men simply stand up and say, "We are spirit-anointed to rule over you?"

If the latter case, I think lots of people will reject them as legitimate rulers.

If bible prophecy is to be believed, there will indeed be appointments of earthly representatives of that government to communicate further instructions and provide oversight.

How will the appointments be done -- that's my question. How will the people of earth know that these men are God-chosen?

There will be no need for Judges in the sense of criminality, since there will be no crime.

That's not something I can understand. Yesterday I watched a squirrel run across the road and be struck by a car. I could swear that the driver accelerated and turned toward the squirrel, but he swore otherwise.

Me, I think the malicious killing of animals should be a crime.

How would this situation be handled in the world you're speaking about?

In bible times the Judges in Isreal were individuals appointed by God to provide instruction and guidance in the application of divine law.

I'm guessing lots of folks didn't agree that they were appointed by God. Can you say how these judges could prove their Godly appointment?

Police? Certainly not! Jehovah's people have never needed policing, there were no police in Israel

I'm sorry but I'm confused. There were no police in Israel? When are you talking about and how do you know that?

I can't imagine any place without police.

and God's people today do not need anything but the Word and their bible trained consciences to control what they do or how they behave.

To me, that doesn't sound very real.

Each individual Christian even now learns to "police" themselves, and since the meek alone will be alive, there will be absolutely nothing to fear from anyone else.

I'm not someone who believes in discrete groups like 'the meek' and 'the bold' but I think a world with only meek people in it might not be very interesting nor dynamic.

[JehovahsWitness]

If bible prophecy is to be believed, there will indeed be appointments of earthly representatives of that government to communicate further instructions and provide oversight.

How will the appointments be done -- that's my question. How will the people of earth know that these men are God-chosen?

The bible doesn't say specifically, but in bible times with Jesus for example God spoke from heaven and said "This is my son, Listen to him" so that's one possible method. In any case, God will find a way.


JW

[NervyGuy]

The bible doesn't say specifically, but in bible times with Jesus for example God spoke from heaven and said "This is my son, Listen to him" so that's one possible method. With Moses he sent an angel and when people questioned Moses authority the ground opened up and the earth swallowed them.

So you would agree, then, that until God proves His agents through some miracle, we shouldn't accept anyone as working for Him here on earth?

No one has the right to speak for God unless and until God shows us a miracle to confirm that person's authority?

I'm good with that.

By the way, any idea when all of this might happen?

Also, if you would like to discuss it, I'd be interested to know why you believe all of this. In other words, why do you think the Bible is the word of God? And whose interpretation of the Bible is the most accurate?

[JehovahsWitness]

There will be no need for Judges in the sense of criminality, since there will be no crime.

That's not something I can understand. .

Okay, I think we need to go back to the basics.

Today each country choose their rulers or their rulers are imposed on them. God has nothing to do with all that. There are many wicked people and sadly the wicked often dominate. But Jesus promised "The meek shall inherit the earth. So...

JESUS RETURNS

• Soon Jesus will return. He will kill all bad people. The only people that will then be alive are those who are already subjects of his government and obey his rules as outlined in the bible, and those who he judges will be happy to learn to obey him. Everyone else will be dead.

HIS PEOPLE AND HIS REPS ARE ALREADY HERE

• Those who are already his subjects are already all in one religion. They are not scattered across different denominations, they are not reading their bibles at home and letting God rule their hearts, they are not "internet Christians" that go to church from time to time, and they know better than to claim they "...dont need to be part of an organized religion to worship God" ...they are all presently in ONE RELIGION.

They don't back their cars over squirrels. They dont break the law. They recognize through their study of the bible those who Jesus is presently using to teach bible truths and maintain theocratic order amongst his subjects (Remember all his subjects are all in one united global religion).

THEOCRATIC ORDER IS ALREADY IN PLACE, GODS KJNGDOM ALEADY RULES

• After all the bad people are dead his people (subjects of the government) will more or less keep doing what they are ALREADY doing. Remember they are already highly organized, they already have men and women that represent the kingdom government, they already have an education, religious, and social, structure, they already have a system by which God leads and directs them, ... The only people that don't know, don't want to know or don't believe all this will be dead anyway so there will be no need to convince them, (because they will be dead).
  
  Humble people who didn't get a chance to learn would have just seen every other human religion institution and organization destroyed by Jesus and his angels and every individual that didn't submit to the direction coming from this one surviving religion as expressed through its leadership killed. How much convincing do you think they will then need as to who is being used by God?

Obviously, since the world economic, political religious and social system around these present day subjects of Gods kingdom will all be destroyed, there will be some changes, rebuilding to be done, squirrels to be nursed back to health... but the essential structure is already in place.

Does that help?


If not these links might.

What is God's Kingdom?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 124#890124

If you know little or nothing about the kingdom you need to learn the basics for things to fall in place, and you can't learn if you don't READ

JW


NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[1213]

In the biblical folklore, some of the millions of folks in the mixed multitude wandering in the wilderness objected to the dictatorship of Moses and his sidekick Aaron:

They gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and Yahweh is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of Yahweh?

The probably fictional Moses and the sidekick he would later defrock, were none too pleased.

But the definitely fictional Yahweh had it sorted:

I think the problem was and is not democracy, but wrong and bad decisions. Also kings will perish, if they choose evil.

[JehovahsWitness]

So you would agree, then, that until God proves His agents through some miracle, we shouldn't accept anyone as working for Him here on earth?

No, see above

Here is the LINK to explain why I just disagreed with you.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 386#944386


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Also, if you would like to discuss it, I'd be interested to know why you believe all of this. In other words, why do you think the Bible is the word of God? And whose interpretation of the Bible is the most accurate?

I have a church meeting now so I have to go, please click on my INDEX just below and find the relevant question (example go to B - for bible and look for what I have already written on interpretation). If you have any furthrr questions after reading I'll be happy to answer them but please read at least a little first.

JW

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 33 by NervyGuy]

Ultimately speaking, JW will not be able to give us details on this government his god is apparently going to set up. Other than there apparently being 144,000 priests, no judges, details will be scant. It will be next to impossible, if not literally impossible, for him to describe or give an analogy as to how this government functions. Why have 144,000 priest-rulers when God can do all the administration himself? Why would there even need to be administration in such an environment? We humans do administration, paperwork, so as to make sure the system (whichever particular flavour of government it is) is functioning properly, but surely God wouldn't be stamping forms in triplicate in some office somewhere.
Either the government JW envisages will be more or less the same as to what we have now, sans the corruption (somehow) and with God as remote as he is now... or there won't be a government, is how I think about the matter. After all, he said it - only the meek will be left alive.