Is your sin Original?

[polonius]

[polonius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evo ... mo_sapiens

Within the Hominoidea (apes) superfamily, the Hominidae family diverged from the Hylobatidae (gibbon) family some 15–20 million years ago; African great apes (subfamily Homininae) diverged from orangutans (Ponginae) about 14 million years ago; the Hominini tribe (humans, Australopithecines and other extinct biped genera, and chimpanzee) parted from the Gorillini tribe (gorillas) between 8-9 million years ago; and, in turn, the subtribes Hominina (humans and biped ancestors) and Panina (chimps) separated 4-7.5 million years ago. ( Planck 2012
• Gibbonsjun. 13, Ann; Pm, 1:30 (2012-06-13). "Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives". TimeTree. Retrieved 2018-05-19.)

Now myth-one.com writes:

How does the above relate to the age of Adam and Eve?

And Polonius provides no answer.

So I will: The above things you mentioned happened prior to Adam & Eve being created in the re-creation of the earth which begins in Genesis 1:3!

RESPONSE: I merely quoted your original answer.

"By my calculations 5976 years with a possible error of plus or minus 10.5 years have passed since the Genesis creation of Adam and Eve"

Oh I get it. They were recreated in your first answer. Right?

Your explanation become more amazing has time goes on. How about trying a time warp???

[myth-one.com]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evo ... mo_sapiens

Within the Hominoidea (apes) superfamily, the Hominidae family diverged from the Hylobatidae (gibbon) family some 15–20 million years ago; African great apes (subfamily Homininae) diverged from orangutans (Ponginae) about 14 million years ago; the Hominini tribe (humans, Australopithecines and other extinct biped genera, and chimpanzee) parted from the Gorillini tribe (gorillas) between 8-9 million years ago; and, in turn, the subtribes Hominina (humans and biped ancestors) and Panina (chimps) separated 4-7.5 million years ago. ( Planck 2012
• Gibbonsjun. 13, Ann; Pm, 1:30 (2012-06-13). "Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives". TimeTree. Retrieved 2018-05-19.)

Now myth-one.com writes:

How does the above relate to the age of Adam and Eve?

And Polonius provides no answer.

So I will: The above things you mentioned happened prior to Adam & Eve being created in the re-creation of the earth which begins in Genesis 1:3!

RESPONSE: I merely quoted your original answer.

"By my calculations 5976 years with a possible error of plus or minus 10.5 years have passed since the Genesis creation of Adam and Eve"

Oh I get it. They were recreated in your first answer. Right?

Your explanation become more amazing has time goes on. How about trying a time warp???

The original creation of the heavens and the earth was completed in the beginning. This was billions, trillions, or countless numbers of our years ago. The statement regarding this original creation is Genesis 1:1:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is all that is said about the original creation.

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Adam and Eve were created about 6,000 years ago in the re-creation of the earth which is described beginning in Genesis 1:3:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

The earth had to be re-created or replenished because it had become formless, void, and dark due to mismanagement of the angels assigned to its care.

What do you not understand about the above few sentences?

[JehovahsWitness]

Now the earth was formless and empty; darkness was over the surface of the deep... (Genesis 1:1-2)

That is, God originally created the heavens and the earth as good in verse one, and over a period of time the earth had become formless, void, and dark.

Who or what forces came into play to so ruin the earth that Almighty God had created? What destroyed the light sources and kill off all the living things God had put on it inside the core of the earth? What removed the earth's original form whether that be square form , or the form of a triangle...making the earth that once had a form.. formless?


Who or what did such damage and caused the death of all, the living things Giod had put on/inside/in orbit around ... the earth ?

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 62 by myth-one.com]

The earth had to be re-created or replenished because it had become formless, void, and dark due to mismanagement of the angels assigned to its care.

You just can't get good help when you really need it.

[William]

[Replying to post 63 by JehovahsWitness]

Who or what forces came into play to so ruin the earth that Almighty God had created?

I heard that it was some tired old careless entity who just happened upon the planet, and saw that it was good for a footstool, and subsequently flattened it.

[myth-one.com]

God created the heaven and the earth in the first verse of the Bible:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

A host of angels were created under the supervision of Satan and given power over the earth as caretakers. In fact, Satan still had power over the earth during the life of Jesus:

And the devil, taking him up into a high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whosoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. (Luke 4:5-7)

Some time after the original verse one creation; the earth had become formless, dark, and void:

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

Here is what the Bible says happened:

These earthly caretakers rebelled and sinned against God their creator:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isaiah 14:12-14)

Lucifer, also known as Satan or the Devil, was not content in his position. He wanted to be like the most high God. He wanted to exalt his throne above the stars, or angels, of God.

These rebels were defeated and cast back down to the earth:

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Revelation 12:9)

As a result of their rebellious nature and sin, the good earth reached the chaotic and unacceptable condition of formless, void, and dark.

Notice that only the earth had become formless, void, and dark. Satan did not rule the heaven so it remained good.

Although Satan ruled the earth, God can and does intervene on occasions. One such intervention was the re-creation of the decimated earth described in Genesis beginning in verse three of chapter one, which occurred approximately six thousand years ago.

These rebellious caretakers will need to be replaced after God seizes control of the earth back from Satan. In the original creation the caretakers were created with spiritual bodies which live forever. In the recreation God did not create more spiritual beings and risk being stuck with more rebels for eternity. He created a mortal being called man a little lower than the angels:

What is man, that thou art mindful of him?... For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, (Psalm 8:4-5)

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth... (Genesis 1:28)

Replenish indicates to make full or complete a second time! From The Random House College Dictionary, replenish is defined as:

replenish -- to make full or complete again.

Thus man was charged with completing the work in which Satan and his angels so miserably failed.

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 66 by myth-one.com]

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Very creative fiction you have produced squeezing Revelation 12 among other things in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.

[ttruscott]

Lucifer, also known as Satan or the Devil, was not content in his position. He wanted to be like the most high God. He wanted to exalt his throne above the stars, or angels, of God.

This supposes that Satan et al knew YHWH as GOD, knew HIS divinity and HIS power yet were so stupid that they thought that they too could be divine and all powerful! ???

I can't accept that once they had seen HIS deity and HIS power proven as it was when HE CREATED the physical universe (Rom 1:20) and they all sang HIS praises, Job 38:7, that they later decided that HE could be thwarted though they themselves could never duplicate HIS creative powers.... this just does not compute for me. I know it was a favourite idea when I was in college 50 yrs ago and I shot it down then as an atheist and I shut it down now as a Christian. It is too foolish to be the foundational belief in any theology.

[myth-one.com]

PCE contends that HE created everyone in HIS image ingenuously innocent with a free will and the equal ability and opportunity to choose to become either perfectly eternally righteous or perfectly and eternally evil. And so it started...

The Bible states that we must choose between everlasting life or everlasting death:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

There are two type of bodies defined in the Bible -- natural or physical and spiritual or heavenly.

Both types have the freedom to obey or disobey the commandments of God.

Evil is disobeying the commandments of God, and obeying God is righteousness.

But what does "perfectly eternally righteous" mean?

Is it that they cannot possibly sin, or that they will always choose not to sin?

I think God created angels and man to care for His creations.

Both were created with freedom of choice. Without the ability to choose, we would simply be robots repeating the same actions to every similar programmed situation.

If one is perfectly eternally righteous, haven't they lost the ability to ever choose evil.

And if one is perfectly eternally evil, haven't they lost the ability to ever choose righteousness?

Either way, all will have given up their free will to choose..

[brianbbs67]

Lucifer, also known as Satan or the Devil, was not content in his position. He wanted to be like the most high God. He wanted to exalt his throne above the stars, or angels, of God.

This supposes that Satan et al knew YHWH as GOD, knew HIS divinity and HIS power yet were so stupid that they thought that they too could be divine and all powerful! ???

I can't accept that once they had seen HIS deity and HIS power proven as it was when HE CREATED the physical universe (Rom 1:20) and they all sang HIS praises, Job 38:7, that they later decided that HE could be thwarted though they themselves could never duplicate HIS creative powers.... this just does not compute for me. I know it was a favourite idea when I was in college 50 yrs ago and I shot it down then as an atheist and I shut it down now as a Christian. It is too foolish to be the foundational belief in any theology.

The name Ha'Satan means simply The Adversary. SO it seems he is set up to oppose us and tempt and test us, by God's decree. He does appear before the Lord in the OT. Job is a prime example.