The Purpose of the Incarnate Deity

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:53 pm

The Gospels - for me - are vague at best on the reason/s for the incarnation of the deity Yahweh in the person of the Jewish man, Jesus.

Leaving aside ALL other writings ...

What can we glean from the Gospels only as the purpose of Jesus' visitation to this planet ...?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:09 pm

[Replying to post 1 by StuartJ]

I can do no better than to refer you to What may be one of the most well known passages in the entire bible

JOHN 3:16

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life

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1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:18 am

StuartJ wrote: The Gospels - for me - are vague at best on the reason/s for the incarnation of the deity Yahweh in the person of the Jewish man, Jesus.

Leaving aside ALL other writings ...

What can we glean from the Gospels only as the purpose of Jesus' visitation to this planet ...?

By what the Bible tells, Jesus is not incarnation of God. And the reason why Jesus came is, God sent him to preach the Gospel.

"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, Because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim release to the captives, Recovering of sight to the blind, To deliver those who are crushed, And to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
Luke 4:18-19

He said to them, "Let's go elsewhere into the next towns, that I may preach there also, because for this reason I came forth."
Mark 1:38

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:56 pm

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

I can do no better than to refer you to What may be one of the most well known passages in the entire bible

Quote:
JOHN 3:16

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life

This is precisely what I mean by vague.

All manner of interpretation can be applied to it.

There is a school of thought that posits the hypothesis that the writer/s of this pro-Pharisee booklet have the Jesus character refer to Moses as the "Son", and not immodestly himself.

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:03 pm

[Replying to post 3 by 1213]

By what the Bible tells, Jesus is not incarnation of God.

It seems to me that the Bible(s) tell most Christians that the Jesus character IS the incarnation of the mythological Yahweh.

But, as I've been pointing out, things in the "Word of God" are vague ...

And things can mean just whatever you choose them to mean.

And it's always YOU who is right.

(That was a general "you" BTW.)

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:09 pm

[Replying to post 3 by 1213]

And the reason why Jesus came is, God sent him to preach the Gospel.

Thank you VERY much for addressing the OP directly ...!

But just what "the Gospel" may be is also vague.

We have a whole debate site here devoted to arguing over this and other biblical bewilderments.

William · Post by **William** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:20 pm

My interpretation is that 'The word made flesh' is another way of saying 'in the beginning GOD spoke creation into existence.'

Sound-waves appear to be quite the creative tool when applied 'just so'.

Obviously the writer of John was attempting to say that the embodiment of 'the word' into human flesh making 'GODs only begotten son' as another way of saying that the power which shaped the universe was able to reside in the one human form, which makes one wonder just what that form was made of, but John says it was made of human flesh, "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." just what kind of human flesh was this that was able to withstand the power of The Word which created the whole universe?

Obviously a literal interpretation is unhelpful, so one must resort to looking for understanding in a symbolic interpretation, if one is interested...

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:34 pm

[Replying to post 7 by William]

Obviously a literal interpretation is unhelpful, so one must resort to looking for understanding in a symbolic interpretation, if one is interested...

We've opened the same hymn book there ....

I've done quite a bit of looking and I've yet to find the influence of any version of "God" in these human writings.

But I do find what looks to me to be allegory of human politics.

Once one moves beyond the state of the mind that insists these writings are holy writ, they are a VERY interesting study.

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:55 pm

StuartJ wrote:...the purpose of Jesus' visitation to this planet ...?

This: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. Jn 10:10

StuartJ · Post by **StuartJ** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:40 pm

ttruscott wrote:
StuartJ wrote:...the purpose of Jesus' visitation to this planet ...?
This: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. Jn 10:10

Thank you for once again addressing the topic directly ...!

But I wonder if you will agree with me that this too lacks detail ...

And needs expanding to have meaning ...?

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