The Purpose of the Incarnate Deity

[StuartJ]

The Gospels - for me - are vague at best on the reason/s for the incarnation of the deity Yahweh in the person of the Jewish man, Jesus.

Leaving aside ALL other writings ...

What can we glean from the Gospels only as the purpose of Jesus' visitation to this planet ...?

[FWI]

[Replying to post 20 by RedEye]

That's not what the author of John tells us

So, what does that mean? Are you now claiming that "all" the bible verses are true and accurate? And that you now reject your belief system known as atheism? I didn't think soHence, if you feel that you can pick and choose the bible verses that you want to use as support, then I can also

John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

It seems that you are assuming that the term: "In the beginning" means the creation, it doesn't! This verse is referring to the New Covenant or New Testament agreement. So, it is best that you use a different angle.

John 1:14: The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

This, of course is a staple verse of the Trinity doctrine, which I made clear, I do not support. So, ignoring this is a waste of your time or how did you put it:

It is a fact that if you continue to fabricate stories and events (ie. tell lies) that sooner or later you will contradict yourself because of not being able to remember what was stated earlier. This is called not being able to keep your lies straight.

[RedEye]

[Replying to post 20 by RedEye]

That's not what the author of John tells us

So, what does that mean? Are you now claiming that "all" the bible verses are true and accurate? And that you now reject your belief system known as atheism? I didn't think so

It has nothing to do with what I believe and everything to do with what you as a Christian believe. It is your holy text so I am merely pointing out that your text disputes the claim you made. The onus now falls on you to address the problem I have identified (without any necessity for me to believe what the author of John writes).

Hence, if you feel that you can pick and choose the bible verses that you want to use as support, then I can also

John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

It seems that you are assuming that the term: "In the beginning" means the creation, it doesn't! This verse is referring to the New Covenant or New Testament agreement. So, it is best that you use a different angle.

I'm not assuming anything. It is explicitly what the text states. The Word was with God in the beginning. That can only refer to the existence of God. This is reinforced by verse 3. That refers to creation. It can mean nothing else. If you think otherwise than I give you the Earth. Who made it?

John 1:14: The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

This, of course is a staple verse of the Trinity doctrine, which I made clear, I do not support.

I don't much care what you support. The passage clearly references the Trinity and the divine nature of Jesus (aka The Word). You can't just hand-wave it away and pretend that it was never written.

So, ignoring this is a waste of your time or how did you put it:

It is a fact that if you continue to fabricate stories and events (ie. tell lies) that sooner or later you will contradict yourself because of not being able to remember what was stated earlier. This is called not being able to keep your lies straight.

What have I fabricated? What lies have I not been able to keep straight? All I did was quote your holy scripture. You shouldn't accuse people of dishonesty if you can't give any specifics.

[FWI]

[Replying to post 22 by RedEye]

What have I fabricated? What lies have I not been able to keep straight? All I did was quote your holy scripture. You shouldn't accuse people of dishonesty if you can't give any specifics.

I didn't accuse you of dishonesty. Why, would you say this? I only used your quote of what you said! Did you forget that these are your words, not mine?

However, now that you brought it up again

* I have stated in the past that I am not a Christian, yet you still try to label me as one. (fabrication).

* It is obvious that I do not worship the bible, so suggesting that they are my holy scriptures is not true. (falsehood)

* Since you don't care much about what I support, then why are you challenging my support system? (not keeping the comments straight)

[RedEye]

[Replying to post 22 by RedEye]

What have I fabricated? What lies have I not been able to keep straight? All I did was quote your holy scripture. You shouldn't accuse people of dishonesty if you can't give any specifics.

I didn't accuse you of dishonesty. Why, would you say this? I only used your quote of what you said! Did you forget that these are your words, not mine?

Yes they are my words, but why did you quote them? You were insinuating that I was fabricating things and that I wouldn't be able to keep my lies straight. If not, please explain your intended purpose by inserting my quote at that point.

However, now that you brought it up again

* I have stated in the past that I am not a Christian, yet you still try to label me as one. (fabrication).

There are dozens of posters in these threads. How am I expected to keep track of the unique belief systems of each and every one of them? If someone argues like a Christian it is not unreasonable to assume that they are probably a Christian. It's an honest and understandable mistake. Assuming bad intent and calling it a fabrication is uncivil.

* It is obvious that I do not worship the bible, so suggesting that they are my holy scriptures is not true. (falsehood)

Ditto. (It is certainly not "obvious" to me that you do not consider the Bible to be holy scripture for you).

* Since you don't care much about what I support, then why are you challenging my support system? (not keeping the comments straight)

I'm not directly challenging your support system. I don't care about it. I'm merely pointing out that the Bible, in this instance, supports the idea of Jesus being one part of the Trinity. You dismissed the idea of John 1:1-14 as doing that. Am I not permitted to argue the opposing view?