Presumption and Imagination

[StuartJ]

A Christian member wrote on another topic:

I'd presume there was a single created sperm. I imagine it was created inside the womb next to the egg at the point of fertilisation.

To me, this speaks to the very heart of religious belief.

Can people of faith be in a state of the mind that blurs the distinction between what is broadly known as "reality" and what I term "imaginality" ...?

Because, when it comes down to matters of fact, we find that there is little to none when it comes to matters of faith.

[Tart]

[Replying to post 28 by Tart]

Im not quite sure what you are questioning here. The quote you are referencing to seems to be a hypotheses on life fertility... Which is something we dont know how it came to be.

For your information, I guessed about the quote and I got it right. The quote comes from a discussion on how exactly Mary conceived Jesus.
The person who gave that line just presumed that a single sperm was created, next to an egg, in the womb. They didn't mean it as a guess, as a shrug of the shoulders, they meant it as something they think happened, and are then content to move on from there, this presumption in mind.

So let the man hypothesize...

Even if it was a hypothesis...what did the person who said that, have to go on? What evidence is there to show that there was a sperm created next to an egg?

I mean shoot, nonbelievers came up with the multiverse, to explain the fine tuning of the universe

The difference between the multiverse and Mr. Sperm-Next-To-Egg is that we don't declare the multiverse to be a revealed Truth, capital T.
Mr. Sperm-Next-to-Egg has literally nothing to go on for his hypothesis. Whereas the multiverse? Are you going to suggest that physicists have nothing to go on when it comes to that? That it's as poorly supported as sperm-next-to-egg?

Oh and FYI? Fine-tuning...? Try harder next time.

Well it is the truth, the multiverse was in response to fine tuning.

"The multiverse is a hypothetical group of multiple universes including the universe in which we live. Together, these universes comprise everything that exists: the entirety of space, time, matter, energy, and the physical laws and constants that describe them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse


Here is your criticism:

"The difference between the multiverse and Mr. Sperm-Next-To-Egg is that we don't declare the multiverse to be a revealed Truth, capital T."~rikuoamero

Here is the quote in question:

"I'd presume there was a single created sperm. I imagine it was created inside the womb next to the egg at the point of fertilisation."~original quote


I think you are going to have to redefine your criticism... This guy is not saying this is "revealed Truth" (with a capital T (how ridiculous))... He is clearly hypothesizing how Jesus could have been born by a virgin...