Some think Jesus was a god while others see him as a prophet sent on a strange heavenly mission to get himself killed. Tied up with this theory is the idea that LOVE is involved; he accepted crucifixion because he loved people. That does not seem to make sense unless one constructs a complex theology about redemption.
Be that as it may, Jesus was with us for a short time period so it is relevant to ask what good or bad has resulted from his celestial mission. Alexander founded a city; the Egyptians left us stone monuments and tablets to say what they believed; Caesar changed the calendar for us, and allowed us to use the terms tsar and Kaiser. What is Christ's legacy? The good have stayed good and the bad are still bad; we have Christian charity and Christian killing. All in all we have what we would statistically expect from a popular preacher - some good, some bad.
What made Jesus special were his reported miracles. But not one single miracle enabled medicine to advance today; nor altered technology. Things have moved on as they did from Alexander and from Caesar and through the Inquisition we learned that love is the same as hate. We observe how one Christian group despises another.
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Did Jesus make a difference that would reflect a divine mission?
or
Is he, like Muhammad, a mystic who talked to God but offered nothing much to humanity?
What difference did Jesus make?
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Re: What difference did Jesus make?
Post #61Well, according to Christian theology; Jesus died on the cross for the sins of mankind, and whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.marco wrote:
Did Jesus make a difference that would reflect a divine mission?
or
Is he, like Muhammad, a mystic who talked to God but offered nothing much to humanity?
Now, if you consider this as "offering nothing much to humanity", then I don't know what to tell you.
Re: What difference did Jesus make?
Post #62[Replying to post 61 by For_The_Kingdom]
It's not an offering. It's a collection.
John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
New International Version (NIV)
6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.[a]
It's not an offering. It's a collection.
John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
New International Version (NIV)
6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.[a]
