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I believe in adaptation not evolution. Adaptation says that organisms change because of heredity not mutations.
God created kinds of animals. So yes He only created one species of humans.
In another topic when I asked EarthScienceguy what he believed instead of evolution he wrote back the above. I asked him several times to explin his theory and he incapable of explanation and debate of his theory.
I would like to find from any Christians that believes like EarthScienceguy something about this belief and some proof using known fossils and how these fit in.
How do you explain Homo neanderthalensis (the Neanderthal) and The Denisovans that both had sex with modern humans? If you are from Europe for your background you have some Neanderthal DNA.
Since this theory uses “kinds of animals� that a lot of creationist do could someone list all the kinds that were on the ark and then the list of animals, insects, bacteria, etc that these kinds adapted into. Are you with a lot of the undereducated people that think the world is less then 10K years old?
What is adaptation and not evolution? Does it have anything to due with DNA changing? Could someone point out all the articles that support this theory? I would hope that there is a list of science articles that shows your science of adaptation of kinds on the ARK to all the diversity we have.
I would like to have a debate on this theory since Christians like to debate evolution we should have this debate also.
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I am glad that you caught the absurdity of evolution. But that is what evolution says happens, new function through duplication and mutation.
Just because you might BELIEVE that evolution transforms creatures in a different way, does not decrease the absurdity of evolution and the lack of observational evidence of it. Genetic load by itself falsifies evolution.
I am glad that you caught the absurdity of evolution. But that is what evolution says happens, new function through duplication and mutation.
Just because you might BELIEVE that evolution transforms creatures in a different way, does not decrease the absurdity of evolution and the lack of observational evidence of it. Genetic load by itself falsifies evolution.
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How many giraffe fossils have been found in any of the chalk or limestone deposits?
How many giraffe fossils have been found in any of the chalk or limestone deposits?
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Post #73
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Anyway, I don't know why the others are still arguing with you. You keep citing AnswersinGenesis, as if they have any credibility at all when it comes to science.
Oh and here I thought you said evolution is when a a foot transforms into a duck foot. Function =/= form. The two are related, but not one and the same.I am glad that you caught the absurdity of evolution. But that is what evolution says happens, new function through duplication and mutation.
Anyway, I don't know why the others are still arguing with you. You keep citing AnswersinGenesis, as if they have any credibility at all when it comes to science.
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Post #74
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The high altitude adaptations of humans are NOT simply alveo density changes. They are examples of advantageous mutations:
"Studies on the detail biological mechanism have revealed that adaptation of the Tibetans, Andeans and Ethiopians is indeed an observable instance of the process of natural selection in acting on favourable characters such as enhanced respiratory mechanisms in humans."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-alti ... _in_humans
And anyone can increase the anyone's alveo density will increase if they live in the mountains. That is why the Olympic training center is in Denver Colorado. All of these examples are duplications of functions that we already have.
The high altitude adaptations of humans are NOT simply alveo density changes. They are examples of advantageous mutations:
"Studies on the detail biological mechanism have revealed that adaptation of the Tibetans, Andeans and Ethiopians is indeed an observable instance of the process of natural selection in acting on favourable characters such as enhanced respiratory mechanisms in humans."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-alti ... _in_humans
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Post #75
What?!EarthScienceguy wrote:
One of the distinctions between humans and primates is the brain size. In Fact one of the theories of evolutionary thought for the difference between primates and humans is the for some reason the brain size of humans were able to increase in size where as the brain size of the primate could not.
Humans ARE primates. It is hard to take seriously anything someone says about science if he/she does not understand that basic fact.
This is a false equivalency. All legitimate biologists believe in evolution. "Researchers" who do not believe in evolution, the fundamental and guiding principle of biology, are not researchers of science at all.Depends on which researchers you want to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_ ... _evolution
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Post #76
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Evolutionary theory says that duplication and mutation is the generator of evolution.
This is a prime example of evolutionary theory deception. The only way for new information to enter the genome is duplication and mutation. The above is not duplication and mutation. So this mutation is not an example of evolution, all of the examples you have given so far are not examples of evolution.The high altitude adaptations of humans are NOT simply alveo density changes. They are examples of advantageous mutations:
"Studies on the detail biological mechanism have revealed that adaptation of the Tibetans, Andeans and Ethiopians is indeed an observable instance of the process of natural selection in acting on favourable characters such as enhanced respiratory mechanisms in humans."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-alti ... _in_humans
Evolutionary theory says that duplication and mutation is the generator of evolution.
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Are you trying to say that human capacity for learning and critical thinking is not distinct and different than everything else in creation.
Many have tried to explain this away by brain size to body ratio. But regardless humans are different than everything else in creation.
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Depends on which researchers you want to believe.
This is a false equivalency. All legitimate biologists believe in evolution. "Researchers" who do not believe in evolution, the fundamental and guiding principle of biology, are not researchers of science at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_ ... _evolution
That is not what these biologist think
Dr Marc Kirschner, founding chair of the Department of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.� As quoted in the Boston Globe, 23 October 2005
Larry Witham wrote: “Surprisingly, however, the most notable aspect of natural scientists in assembly is how little they focus on evolution. Its day-to-day irrelevance is a great ‘paradox’ in biology, according to a BioEssays special issue on evolution in 2000. ‘While the great majority of biologists would probably agree with Theodosius Dobzhansky’s dictum that “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution�, most can conduct their work quite happily without particular reference to evolutionary ideas’, the editor wrote. ‘Evolution would appear to be the indispensable unifying idea and, at the same time, a highly superfluous one.’� Witham, Larry A., Where Darwin Meets the Bible: Creationists and Evolutionists in America (hardcover), p. 43, Oxford University Press, 2002;
American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) member and Emeritus Professor Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian evolution—whatever its other virtues—does not provide a fruitful heuristic in experimental biology.�
Here are some modern era creationist scientists of note. These researched seemed not to have a problem making great discoveries.
John-Flamsteed
Professor Dr Bernard Brandstater—pioneer in anesthetics. Amongst many other achievements, he pioneered assisted breathing for premature babies with prolonged intubation and developed an improved catheter for epidural anesthesia, both adopted around the world.
Prof. Stuart Burgess—a world expert in biomimetics (imitating design in nature). He is Professor of Engineering Design, Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Bristol (UK) and leads the Design Engineering Research Group at the university. Dr Burgess is the author of over 40 papers published in science journals, and another 50 conference proceedings. He has also registered 7 patents and has received various awards, the Wessex Institute Scientific Medal being the most recent.
Professor Dr Ben Carson—pioneer paediatric neurosurgeon. He was long-term director of pediatric neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions. He was the first surgeon to successfully separate conjoined twins joined at the head and also pioneered surgery to cure epilepsy in young children, and much else. He has been awarded 51 honorary doctorates, including from Yale and Columbia universities in recognition of his outstanding achievements. He is a member of the Alpha Honor Medical Society, the Horatio Alger Society of Distinguished Americans, and sits on numerous business and education boards. In 2001, CNN and Time magazine named Ben Carson as one of the nation’s 20 foremost physicians and scientists. In that same year, the Library of Congress selected him as one of 89 ‘Living Legends’. In February 2008, President Bush awarded Carson the Ford’s Theater Lincoln Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USA’s highest civilian honours.
Dr Raymond Damadian—largely responsible for developing medical imaging using magnetic resonance (MRI). He has been honoured with the United States’ National Medal of Technology, the Lincoln-Edison Medal, and induction into the National Inventors Hall of Fame alongside Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell and the Wright brothers. In 2001 the Lemelson-MIT program bestowed its lifetime achievement award on Dr Damadian as “the man who invented the MRI scanner�. It is commonly recognized that he was discriminated against in not at least sharing a Nobel Prize for his work (two others shared the award), although Damadian was the discoverer that diseased tissue would have a different signal from healthy.
Dr John Hartnett—developed the world’s most precise atomic clocks, which are used in research and industry around the globe. He is an Australian Research Council (ARC) Discovery Outstanding Researcher Award (DORA) fellow at the University of Adelaide, where he is an Associate Professor. In his relatively short career, he has published more than 200 papers in scientific journals, book chapters, and conference proceedings.
Dr Raymond Jones—solved the major problem of the indigestibility of Leucaena (a tropical legume) for grazing cattle in Australia, among other achievements. This research has contributed hundreds of millions of dollars to the Australian beef industry. He was honoured with the CSIRO Gold Medal for Research Excellence, and the Urrbrae Award.
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu—many pioneering contributions, especially in sickle cell disease management. He is Kwegyir Aggrey Distinguished Professor of Human Genetics, University of Cape Coast, Ghana, and Consultant Physician Genetic Counsellor in Sickle Cell and Other Haemoglobinopathies, Phoenix Hospital Group, London, UK. Ironically, sickle cell disease is often incorrectly held up as a ‘proof of evolution’ in science textbooks.
Dr Konotey-Ahulu has received many awards in recognition of his work.
Dr John Sanford—has been granted over 30 patents arising from his research in plant breeding and genetics. His most significant scientific contributions involve three inventions, the biolistic (‘gene gun’) process, pathogen-derived resistance, and genetic immunization. A large fraction of the transgenic crops (in terms of both numbers and area planted) grown in the world today were genetically engineered using the gene gun technology developed by John and his collaborators. Dr Sanford was honoured with the Distinguished Inventor Award by the Central New York Patent Law Association in 1990 and 1995.
Dr Wally (Siang Hwa) Tow—groundbreaking research in ‘molar pregnancy’, a poverty-related disease. He was invited to lecture in some fourteen top Obstetrics-Gynaecology departments in America in 1962–3, including leading universities such as Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, New York, UCLA, Cornell, and Stanford. He was awarded the William Blair Bell Lectureship by the RCOG in recognition of the importance of this work. He served as Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, National University of Singapore.
So you might want to rethink your statement.
No they are not. They are distinct from primates. They can perform tasks that primates can not perform. The have a mental capacity that nothing else in nature has.What?!
Humans ARE primates. It is hard to take seriously anything someone says about science if he/she does not understand that basic fact.
Are you trying to say that human capacity for learning and critical thinking is not distinct and different than everything else in creation.
Many have tried to explain this away by brain size to body ratio. But regardless humans are different than everything else in creation.
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Depends on which researchers you want to believe.
This is a false equivalency. All legitimate biologists believe in evolution. "Researchers" who do not believe in evolution, the fundamental and guiding principle of biology, are not researchers of science at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_ ... _evolution
That is not what these biologist think
Dr Marc Kirschner, founding chair of the Department of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.� As quoted in the Boston Globe, 23 October 2005
Larry Witham wrote: “Surprisingly, however, the most notable aspect of natural scientists in assembly is how little they focus on evolution. Its day-to-day irrelevance is a great ‘paradox’ in biology, according to a BioEssays special issue on evolution in 2000. ‘While the great majority of biologists would probably agree with Theodosius Dobzhansky’s dictum that “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution�, most can conduct their work quite happily without particular reference to evolutionary ideas’, the editor wrote. ‘Evolution would appear to be the indispensable unifying idea and, at the same time, a highly superfluous one.’� Witham, Larry A., Where Darwin Meets the Bible: Creationists and Evolutionists in America (hardcover), p. 43, Oxford University Press, 2002;
American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) member and Emeritus Professor Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian evolution—whatever its other virtues—does not provide a fruitful heuristic in experimental biology.�
Here are some modern era creationist scientists of note. These researched seemed not to have a problem making great discoveries.
John-Flamsteed
Professor Dr Bernard Brandstater—pioneer in anesthetics. Amongst many other achievements, he pioneered assisted breathing for premature babies with prolonged intubation and developed an improved catheter for epidural anesthesia, both adopted around the world.
Prof. Stuart Burgess—a world expert in biomimetics (imitating design in nature). He is Professor of Engineering Design, Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Bristol (UK) and leads the Design Engineering Research Group at the university. Dr Burgess is the author of over 40 papers published in science journals, and another 50 conference proceedings. He has also registered 7 patents and has received various awards, the Wessex Institute Scientific Medal being the most recent.
Professor Dr Ben Carson—pioneer paediatric neurosurgeon. He was long-term director of pediatric neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions. He was the first surgeon to successfully separate conjoined twins joined at the head and also pioneered surgery to cure epilepsy in young children, and much else. He has been awarded 51 honorary doctorates, including from Yale and Columbia universities in recognition of his outstanding achievements. He is a member of the Alpha Honor Medical Society, the Horatio Alger Society of Distinguished Americans, and sits on numerous business and education boards. In 2001, CNN and Time magazine named Ben Carson as one of the nation’s 20 foremost physicians and scientists. In that same year, the Library of Congress selected him as one of 89 ‘Living Legends’. In February 2008, President Bush awarded Carson the Ford’s Theater Lincoln Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USA’s highest civilian honours.
Dr Raymond Damadian—largely responsible for developing medical imaging using magnetic resonance (MRI). He has been honoured with the United States’ National Medal of Technology, the Lincoln-Edison Medal, and induction into the National Inventors Hall of Fame alongside Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell and the Wright brothers. In 2001 the Lemelson-MIT program bestowed its lifetime achievement award on Dr Damadian as “the man who invented the MRI scanner�. It is commonly recognized that he was discriminated against in not at least sharing a Nobel Prize for his work (two others shared the award), although Damadian was the discoverer that diseased tissue would have a different signal from healthy.
Dr John Hartnett—developed the world’s most precise atomic clocks, which are used in research and industry around the globe. He is an Australian Research Council (ARC) Discovery Outstanding Researcher Award (DORA) fellow at the University of Adelaide, where he is an Associate Professor. In his relatively short career, he has published more than 200 papers in scientific journals, book chapters, and conference proceedings.
Dr Raymond Jones—solved the major problem of the indigestibility of Leucaena (a tropical legume) for grazing cattle in Australia, among other achievements. This research has contributed hundreds of millions of dollars to the Australian beef industry. He was honoured with the CSIRO Gold Medal for Research Excellence, and the Urrbrae Award.
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu—many pioneering contributions, especially in sickle cell disease management. He is Kwegyir Aggrey Distinguished Professor of Human Genetics, University of Cape Coast, Ghana, and Consultant Physician Genetic Counsellor in Sickle Cell and Other Haemoglobinopathies, Phoenix Hospital Group, London, UK. Ironically, sickle cell disease is often incorrectly held up as a ‘proof of evolution’ in science textbooks.
Dr Konotey-Ahulu has received many awards in recognition of his work.
Dr John Sanford—has been granted over 30 patents arising from his research in plant breeding and genetics. His most significant scientific contributions involve three inventions, the biolistic (‘gene gun’) process, pathogen-derived resistance, and genetic immunization. A large fraction of the transgenic crops (in terms of both numbers and area planted) grown in the world today were genetically engineered using the gene gun technology developed by John and his collaborators. Dr Sanford was honoured with the Distinguished Inventor Award by the Central New York Patent Law Association in 1990 and 1995.
Dr Wally (Siang Hwa) Tow—groundbreaking research in ‘molar pregnancy’, a poverty-related disease. He was invited to lecture in some fourteen top Obstetrics-Gynaecology departments in America in 1962–3, including leading universities such as Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, New York, UCLA, Cornell, and Stanford. He was awarded the William Blair Bell Lectureship by the RCOG in recognition of the importance of this work. He served as Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, National University of Singapore.
So you might want to rethink your statement.
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Post #78
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Then don't. I just enjoy frustrating you all with the actual observed facts of science.
Then don't. I just enjoy frustrating you all with the actual observed facts of science.
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Job 26:7 says, "He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing."
Both of these have been observed by modern space travel. Beside you can also see the curvature of the Earth on a lunar eclipse. The lunar eclipse we just had was beautiful.
No because Isaiah 40:22 says, "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in."Do you also believe in a flat earth?
Job 26:7 says, "He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing."
Both of these have been observed by modern space travel. Beside you can also see the curvature of the Earth on a lunar eclipse. The lunar eclipse we just had was beautiful.
