Can a man or angel create commandments?

[Wootah]

Can a man or angel create commandments?

Jon 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.�

Is this evidence that leads towards Jesus being God or not?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to Tcg]

1) Only God gives Commandments.
2) Jesus gave us a new Commandment, therefore
3) Jesus is God.

Only frogs can jump
Jim can jump.
Therefore Jim is a frog.

Circular reasoning is assuming the conclusion in the premises.

http://www.softschools.com/examples/gra ... mples/401/

And how is that NOT what you are doing? By citing as evidence that Jesus is God because he gave us a new Commandment, you are assuming the conclusion in the premise.

So how is Jesus giving a Commandment evidence that he is God? Was Moses "God" too? At best, it only shows that Jesus was a new lawgiver. Like Moses.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 11 by Elijah John]

Moses went up a mountain and spoke to God. God gave Moses the commandments. You know this right?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 11 by Elijah John]

Moses went up a mountain and spoke to God. God gave Moses the commandments. You know this right?

Yes, I know the story. And as JW pointed out, God gave Jesus all the words he preached and taught. And that would include his "new Commandment".

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 5 by JehovahsWitness]

Only God has the ABSOLUTE right to issue divine ccommandement, and we usually call humans that transmit divine law as "Prophets". Moses and Jesus were Prophets as they communicated Divine Law.

You think God told a man called Jesus to tell the disciples to tell us that we should love like Jesus?

Think about this command to love like Jesus. It is so clearly puffing a man called Jesus up.

God is love.
God transmitted a new command that the definition of love is to as Jesus loves.
Jesus necessarily meets that standard.
Therefore ....

John 14 doesn't help you. No prophet spoke like Jesus and then said oh by the way the Father backs me up.

[Wootah]

OK for what it is worth I Googled around and then asked on another forum if they thought it was circular reasoning.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/too ... g#comments

It got slightly reworded but deemed not to be circular.

I would not say it is circular. Circular would be

1) Only God gives Commandments.
2) Therefore, Commandments can only be given by God.

For a good syllogism, make sure the language is consistent.

1) Only God gives Commandments (plural).
2) Jesus gave us a new Commandment (singular), therefore
3) Jesus is God

This would be invalid. But

1) Only God can give us a Commandment.
2) Jesus gave us a Commandment.
3) Therefore, Jesus is God

Would be valid. Of course, the first premise is a major claim that is unsupported and unfalsifiable so this could never be demonstrated to be a sound argument.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 11 by Elijah John]

Moses went up a mountain and spoke to God. God gave Moses the commandments. You know this right?

Yes, I know the story. And as JW pointed out, God gave Jesus all the words he preached and taught. And that would include his "new Commandment".

So Jesus says that God said that the standard to follow, the new commandment, is be like Jesus? Suspicious much?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 11 by Elijah John]

Moses went up a mountain and spoke to God. God gave Moses the commandments. You know this right?

Yes, I know the story. And as JW pointed out, God gave Jesus all the words he preached and taught. And that would include his "new Commandment".

So Jesus says that God said that the standard to follow, the new commandment, is be like Jesus? Suspicious much?

Where did God say the new Commandment is to "be like Jesus"? I don't recall that. But I do recall Jesus saying he's giving a new Commandment to love one another.

It's the origin of that Commandment that is the subject of this debate, correct? And whether the giving of the Commandment is evidence or not that Jesus is God. Otherwise, seems you are shifting your arguments.

[onewithhim]

Can a man or angel create commandments?

Jon 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.�

Is this evidence that leads towards Jesus being God or not?

Only God---Jehovah---makes commandments that have any validity. Jesus spoke as his Father, Jehovah, instructed him to speak.

Jesus said: "I do nothing of my own initiative; just as the Father taught me I speak these things." (John 8:28b)

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[Wootah]

[Replying to Elijah John]

John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.�

As I Jesus have loved you - you must love each other.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 17 by onewithhim]

Great so do you believe a man interposed himself between us and God?