JehovahsWitness wrote:
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Replying to post 184 by PinSeeker]
PinSeeker wrote:
The words, “soul� and “spirit,� are employed in varying senses within the different biblical contexts in which they may be found.
True enough and where is the idea of a soul being an immortal part of a human that survives his physical death?
Well, I would say Matthew 25, Luke 16, John 5, and Revelation 20, among others. I would also cite Luke 23, where Jesus tells the crucified thief on His right, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." That He says nothing to the crucified thief on His left does not mean that he will cease to exist, but rather only that he will not be with Jesus in Paradise; he will be... somewhere else.
JehovahsWitness wrote:
The word translated
SOUL in English is "
nephesh" in Hebrew (it is
not interchangeable with the word spirit, in scripture, if you have been taught this you have been taught wrongly)
Heh heh... In your opinion, JW. As I said, 'nephesh' has slightly different connotations depending on the context in which it is used in Scripture.
Fishes are "nephesh", animals are "nephesh" ...." nephesh(es) have
blood, eat food, and nephesh die.
EZEKIEL 18:20
The soul who sins shall die.- English Standard Version
CONCLUSION If souls are physical and if animals and fish are souls and if as the bible says souls can die, then souls are obviously NOT immortal.
Ah, but now you're doing the same thing (wrongly) as myth-one is doing, albeit maybe inadvertently. Your applying a much to rigid (wooden) meaning to 'die,' or 'death.' And as a result, you're -- again, maybe inadvertently, but seemingly, at least -- advocating annihilationism. Which is wrong.
Hey, I'm being a little facetious, here, but there's still a point made in this: If I were to say, "JW, you're dead to me," you're not really dead, are you? No, you're not. Aren't you still a conscious being? Of course you are.
More seriously, the penultimate point is, Christians, before they are Christians, are dead in their sin, are they not? Yes, they are. But are they physically dead? No. Are they still conscious beings? Yes, of course. Conversely, Christians are dead to sin and alive to God (Romans 6). Are they physically dead? No. Are they still conscious beings. Again, the answer is, yes, of course they are.
And the ultimate point is, in the same way, in eternity, some folks will be eternally dead in their sin -- they will experience the second death -- but will they cease to exist? No. Will they be conscious beings? Yes. But they will be totally removed from God's grace and blessings -- in "outer darkness." This is their eternal punishment, their torment.
